Metallox said:
Can tell you that you shouldn't feel bad at all because, to begin with, the election of Bolsonaro won't have anything to do with you at least in the middle term. Furthermore, if he plans to promote his platform, he'll need the support of the legislative cameras and the population as a whole, and thus he'll need to deal with the opposition, of which you'll need to cooperate a lot in the years to come.

On top of that, think of why a lot of people decided to elect him, it's not precisely because of his political views, it's because he's the strongest alternative against the laborist parties, most of which are considered corrupt nowadays.
Metallox said:
While it's true that 62% of the voters don't care about Bolsonaro's extremist views, I think it's important to note that a lot of them aren't necessarily ok with them, which is an important distinction. The economic crisis, corruption, increase in violence, these are all factors that made people sick of the PT

People should remember how Hitler actually came to power and what they said about him and the NSDAP in the beginning. Simply by elections and coalitions. And most people back then were pissed with other parties, desolate economy and things like this. Most Germans simply wanted jobs and yes, some strong alternative for change. Germans weren't more racist than French or British, a few years later Europe lay in ruins and millions of people, again millions of them jews, had been killed.

 

Yet in 1933 many Germans weren't necessarily ok with Hitler extremist views. But way too many elected him and his party.



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Nautilus said:

It is mostly all BS.Its all propaganda and distortions of the truth created by the opposition in an attempt to destroy his image.Some of this idea that Bolsonaro is homophobic and racist come from statements that are completely taken out of context from things he said.Even if some things he said was said in an unfortunate way and could have been better elaborated, he never went even close to saying he hates one group.Other statements like he being a facist and somehow wants to stabilish a dictatorship is pure fantasy, and you can see reading through this thread, as a reason for some thinking this will happen is because he was a former..... military.Yeah, thats it.Anyway, if you have time, I have made s small summary about the current situation in Brazil:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8900385

"In an interview with Playboy magazine in December 2011, Bolsonaro said that he "would be incapable of loving a homosexual son."

"I would prefer my son to die in an accident than show up with a mustachioed man," he said."

I don't really see how that can be explained away...



Well hang in there the US is surviving Trump who isn't much better. Also I'm not an expert on Brazilian history and politics but didn't you have and survived worse politicians already. Plus you had a military government for almost 21 years from 1964 through 1985 so I don't think that the new guy can be much worse then that.



sundin13 said:
Nautilus said:

It is mostly all BS.Its all propaganda and distortions of the truth created by the opposition in an attempt to destroy his image.Some of this idea that Bolsonaro is homophobic and racist come from statements that are completely taken out of context from things he said.Even if some things he said was said in an unfortunate way and could have been better elaborated, he never went even close to saying he hates one group.Other statements like he being a facist and somehow wants to stabilish a dictatorship is pure fantasy, and you can see reading through this thread, as a reason for some thinking this will happen is because he was a former..... military.Yeah, thats it.Anyway, if you have time, I have made s small summary about the current situation in Brazil:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8900385

"In an interview with Playboy magazine in December 2011, Bolsonaro said that he "would be incapable of loving a homosexual son."

"I would prefer my son to die in an accident than show up with a mustachioed man," he said."

I don't really see how that can be explained away...

First of all, its been 7 years.People change over the course of time.Second, As I have already said in my summary which you probably didnt read, Im not sugarcoating the things that he did say that werent appropriate or even right.This is one of them.It was a sad statement and that was it.I do believe, at least now for this scenario that was proposed to him, his stance on homosexuals is that he has nothing against them, and respects them.He just prefers that his son would be straight so that not only it would allign with his views but also would allow him to have grandchildren.And there is a difference betwenn accepting homosexuality, and respecting homosexuality.I think every needs to respect it, as in respect that one person made the decision to be homosexual.You dont need to like it, you just need to respect that person personal decision.I have many gay friends that also agree with me on this.And I mean, he already went on record time and time again on why he would go out of his way to make lifes of homosexuals harder if he has much bigger and actual problems to solve?

Anyway, thats not even the most important.The really sad thing is that, when people come to support Bolsonaro, the reasons they list why they support him is because of all his government proposals.Economical, educational, security related and whatnot.But when it comes to the supporters of Haddad and PT, the reasons they support him are usually because they think that Bolsonaro is "homphobic, racist, sexist" and whatnot, as if a president is some kind of celebrity and not a manager, and barely list any proposal as to why they find PT government proposal any good.Just saying.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Kalkano said:
mZuzek said:

I live in Brazil, and if you know anything about what's going on in Brazil, well, basically we are on the verge of electing a fascist as president. He's racist, homophobic, sexist, highly religious, well, you know... all the usual stuff.

That right there is the problem, but the problem is YOU!  Every time someone like you spouts all of that crap, you get eyerolls in response, because WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!  Now, admittedly, I know nothing about the guy you're referring to.  But, I've seen those accusations thrown at absolutely everyone, and they are ALMOST NEVER TRUE.  You've cried wolf WAY too many times. 

I actually just recently saw a YouTube video that described this phenomenon perfectly.  Not sure if you'll actually sit there and watch it, but here it is.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfEsrlEKcc

 

Basically, it's just a bunch a "evil labels" being slapped on people for political gain.  It's all complete BS.

LOL if you have half a brain you can figure out in less than a minute that video is nothing more then bullshit right wing propaganda.  On top of all its bullshit sales pitch for a shitty right wing propaganda book.  If you really believe that video you might as well go out and buy a lifetime supply of tinfoil hats already.



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BraLoD said:
As you quoted too many people I'll give my reply here.
I agree, walking out now is already more shitty than it was last year.
At least two times a week I take a walk home from work (around 40 minutes) with a colleage, and I did that yesterday, I was by chance using a red shirt and I had a kid that I think was no more than 4 years old, walking outside pre scholl with is a bit older sisters I suppose, start pointing his two fingers to me as if they were guns after looking at my shirt, and pretending to shot me and started laughing... right in front of me.
Something like that has NEVER happened before. I know kids play finger gun sometimes, I do, but something like that is just something else.
I hope you can get away of this country if you have a better option because foreigners won't be gladly accepted here anymore in some years.
We seem to mimic every shit that comes out of USA to even worse levels, and xenophobia will surely follow the future list of common absurdities like racism and homophobia that we are to see coming back (even as it never truly left) at full force.
Pretend you was never here and use the fact you were not born here to leave asap.

Yeah, walking outside dressed in red is as good as forbidden at the moment. Oh but don't worry, no one changed your rights. Everything is fine!

@Nautilus, I can't believe all the bullshit you're talking about. The first time anyone heard about Bolsonaro, circa 2011, was because of his homophobic comments. That was his rise to prominence in mainstream media, by making comments everyone despised. Over several years, he continued to show racism, homophobia, intolerance, extreme nationalism, xenophobia, mysogyny, as well as show support to the military dictatorship, including comments that encouraged people to torture and kill the opposition. For years and years, that was the only image every person had of him, but of course, it also meant that neo-fascists began to support him for the presidency.

In the last year, though, suddenly everyone's views changed. After the massive manipulative campaign on WhatsApp, fueled by people's hatred of PT (which is ridiculous when looking at all the other candidates available), everyone began to vote for him and say all those 6 years of hate comments and actions were just a bunch of lies or exaggerations made by the media, which of course, is exactly what he'd want you to believe. Suddenly, no one cares about how, in 28 years of being in the congress, he had barely any projects approved and voted against every law that benefited the people, and in favor of every law that benefited him. He had obvious marketing ploys, such as forging a stab attack only to avoid going into any political debate or interview since, instead showing up in loads of biased shows and posting videos speaking from a teleprompter.

I'm sorry, but you're fucking kidding yourself if you think any of that is a lie.



Hey Rocket,

Can you claim asylum? Or buy a plane ticket and get out?

~ Just hope you're alright



Nautilus said:
sundin13 said:

"In an interview with Playboy magazine in December 2011, Bolsonaro said that he "would be incapable of loving a homosexual son."

"I would prefer my son to die in an accident than show up with a mustachioed man," he said."

I don't really see how that can be explained away...

First of all, its been 7 years.People change over the course of time.Second, As I have already said in my summary which you probably didnt read, Im not sugarcoating the things that he did say that werent appropriate or even right.This is one of them.It was a sad statement and that was it.I do believe, at least now for this scenario that was proposed to him, his stance on homosexuals is that he has nothing against them, and respects them.He just prefers that his son would be straight so that not only it would allign with his views but also would allow him to have grandchildren.And there is a difference betwenn accepting homosexuality, and respecting homosexuality.I think every needs to respect it, as in respect that one person made the decision to be homosexual.You dont need to like it, you just need to respect that person personal decision.I have many gay friends that also agree with me on this.And I mean, he already went on record time and time again on why he would go out of his way to make lifes of homosexuals harder if he has much bigger and actual problems to solve?

Anyway, thats not even the most important.The really sad thing is that, when people come to support Bolsonaro, the reasons they list why they support him is because of all his government proposals.Economical, educational, security related and whatnot.But when it comes to the supporters of Haddad and PT, the reasons they support him are usually because they think that Bolsonaro is "homphobic, racist, sexist" and whatnot, as if a president is some kind of celebrity and not a manager, and barely list any proposal as to why they find PT government proposal any good.Just saying.

Bolsonaro doesn't even have any proposals, otherwise he would go to the debates. Haddad has many proposals, some are good, other are bad, but some people are so lost in their rage against PT that won't listen.

You can say I'm biased, but everyone can see that you are way more, as you try to explain absurd things Bolsonaro said that should have got him arrested.



Mospeada21CA said:
Hey Rocket,

Can you claim asylum? Or buy a plane ticket and get out?

~ Just hope you're alright

Call me Rocket, I'll refer to you as Rocket.

No, I'm not alright. They got rid of my writer for some extreme leftist agenda, and now he's off making crappy DC movies. Oh wait, I thought I was supposed to be a left-wing supporter who despises everything about the right-wing? Damn, curse me.



mZuzek said:

(Thought about putting this in general discussion, but went with politics so people can come in with a slight idea of what it's about.)

I don't wanna go too in-depth over the reasons because it'd only make things worse - after all, they are what saddened me in the first place. I live in Brazil, and if you know anything about what's going on in Brazil, well, basically we are on the verge of electing a fascist as president. He's racist, homophobic, sexist, highly religious, well, you know... all the usual stuff. Furthermore, he wants to legalize gun ownership in Brazil, and promotes violence constantly. He has quite some following, and in recent days they've done all sorts of awful shit, from killing someone's dog because "it barked too much" or killing an actual person for simply stating they prefer another candidate.

Today, I went to college. It was the first time I went someplace since before the elections happened (I'm not actually Brazilian, so I don't vote), and because I live in the middle of nowhere, I was pretty much distanced from everything while here. Being in society again was... frightening. Walking in the streets had me nervous, knowing that most passersby likely voted in that abomination (he had 62% votes in my town), and throughout the afternoon I felt strange, nervous and afraid, even though nothing particularly out of the ordinary happened. After class, though, I heard that, in a different campus of my own university, a student was attacked and gravely injured by this guy's followers. Turns out I'm not afraid of nothing (take the double negative here as a proper intended double negative).

Anyways... This is probably the first time in my life I've ever been truly depressed. I can't cheer up, I can't feel good about anything, I can't ease my consciousness with anything, in fact I can barely sleep some nights. It's been a few days and I continue to feel horrible. I'm terrified of what this country has become, terrified of the rampant fascism everywhere and even more terrified of the future. Furthermore, I'm also terrified about this seemingly being a somewhat global tendency, with countries like the USA, UK, Poland and more following similar political trends. People can think of nothing but violence and hate these days... Peace and love are seemingly dead last in everyone's priorities.

I don't know what I'll do, if anything. If this dude does get elected, surely I must find a way out of this country, but I'm not sure anywhere else is future-proof either. Maybe this truly is the start of a new dark age...

In lighter thoughts, don't worry, I'm not gonna do the whole "leaving VGC" thing. If anything, VGC is one of the few stress reliefs I can have at the moment, and it can be even more important with the greatest games event coming up. I just need to clear my mind at the moment.

 

I feel your pain. I live in Brazil too. Basically, we have to do anything and everything we can to prevent this crazy fellow from getting elected. He wants to bring back the dictatorship, and his base is being conned.

Basically, the political system is so FUCKED that people just want to see everything explode. I know this seems crazy, but it is the truth. Brazilian people are mad.

Problem is. It is difficult to reverse a dictatorship. Last time it happened in Brazil, it took many, many years to get democracy going. However, what we're gonna have now is a technological dictatorship. Once this genie gets out of the bottle, you can't put it back in. If this fellow wins, it's gonna be the end. We can't allow that to happen.