I am very sad.

[Nautilus]

sundin13 said:

Nautilus said:

A text link?On the top of my head, no I dont think I do have one.Though if you look around enough, you will probably find one.

And I mean, of course.Any kind of declarition he makes about himself, or if any of his allies makes about him, may always be interpreted as he trying to put up a good face to win votes.The same can be said about the opposition, that they will always talk trash about the other in order to make him/her look bad and gain votes themselves.Whats important is to look at both sides of the arguments and draw a conclusion from that, to reach the best concenssus possible about what he/she is defending and what are his/her values.

While that is true, it is worth nothing again that the things that have been said to make him look bad aren't just words by the opposition, they are his own words and they make him look very bad.

Even if I dont agree with you on this point, the same can be said about the opposition, which said far worse things.(all of them already detailed on my summary post back at the beginning of the thread)