Bullshit. Don't try to weasel your way out of something you said. It's right there in black and white.
"That's just standard 11 year old online behavior. It's normal and instead of criticizing him for the possibility of that happening all accountability should be put on the party that is mature."
You just said that the 11 year old should not be accountable for their actions. It looks silly for you to lie about that when anyone can just see what you typed. There was absolutely nothing fallacious about my argument.
It's also kind of funny that you say you grew out of that behavior. "burp." I mean, what the heck was that? Trying to show us what "normal" 11 year old kids do?
Wow, so combative! Let me try to "weasel my way out" of it a second time:
Acknowledging that a behavior is normal and normalizing it are not the same thing. I admit that if you wanted to read that comment as an acceptance of bad online behavior than it is fairly bad. I should have explained that while I believe that behavior to be "normal" it isn't "good" either (although I already over-explain myself on this site as is). However, that isn't what it is, it is a pure acknowledgement of the fact that in the real world ... not in some idealized non-toxic community ... it kind of is normal for that age bracket.
Does that make it right? Nope, but I never said as such.
About the accountability, you are absolutely right that I said he should not be held accountable. He shouldn't be held accountable for someone who is four times his age giving him death threats. Which is what Mar was saying he should be accountable for. Should he be held accountable for being a douche? Yes, but that's not really something specific to this incident. He's probably a douche all the time (assuming he was trash talking), and that is a separate problem entirely. Maybe the death threats were caused by it, but in a rational society only one person should really be accountable: the adult. Being held accountable means that you are required to justify actions (or to face justice from them). The 11 year old doesn't have to justify being a dick, the 45 year old has to justify how he responded.
In real life, one of the biggest problems that adults have during the tween-teen era of their kid's life is that they don't act as if what their teen is doing is normal or relatable. They act like it's completely unfathomable behavior. Because of this there is no relatability there, and the ability to pass down lessons comes from an alienating figure instead of someone you can connect with. From my point of view, acknowledging that something is in fact normal for an age bracket is not normalizing it. Does that sound stupid as fuck? Sure, but I believe it to make some sense. Understanding why the problem exists and how it relates to the persons youth is the first step to creating a better connection so that important lessons can be passed down. Normalizing it is just passively accepting it for what it is, which is not what I stand for. I just acknowledge that yes it is in fact a normal behavior, not necessarily a good one, but one that is realistic. And that yes, I believe the person who should be held accountable is the adult.
By the way, I have no idea how you think "*burp*" is offensive or like an 11 year old. We're talking about trash talking first of all, not shitposting, so it doesn't even have to do with what we're discussing. But it also isn't ironic in anyway. The only reason I even said that was because you wrote this: "lol that's normal." Not only an extreme exaggeration of what I said, but one that is only useful to misrepresent my point and to make it look ignorant. So maybe you should first look at how you deconstruct arguments, and then ask why people respond in kind.
Last edited by AngryLittleAlchemist - on 19 September 2018