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melbye said:
I just have no interest in seeing any DC movies right now, i can't believe how mismanaged they are

After all this...

Aquaman

Could be

Dead,

In the water!



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Ganoncrotch said:
FarleyMcFirefly said:

I've seen 2 different fan cuts of the movie that were actually way more enjoyable than the garbage Whedon and WB turned it into, mainly for 2 reasons: No Danny Elfman music and cut out shitty dialogue.

Lets see... to cut out all the shitty dialogue from Justice League

Naw look, if you found parts of those DCU films you enjoyed then that's cool, I know a few people who find the comedy elements of the Marvel universe to be rather grating when they want their comics to be dark and gritty but at the same time there are some movie flaws with Justice League which can't go unmentioned, from the scene being written, acted out and edited into the movie there are 2 scenes which when I was watching them I actually facepalmed and felt those responsible didn't understand the IP they had made a film about.

Aquaman in the fishing town in front of the pier full of fishermen stating that Bruce Wayne dresses up as a bat in Gotham and fights crime and when Superman is resurrected you get Lois running towards him shouting Clark while there is at the very least a bunch of cops about 5 feet from her, it was the same in Batman V Superman you had Lex seemingly knowing the super hero identity of both title characters with zero explanation, are they living in a world where the secret identity of the superheroes isn't important? It's just that another large element to the films was how Batman wanted to instill fear in the criminals of his crime fighting persona, I doubt criminals would have been quite as afraid if they were fully aware that inside the suit was just a rich kid turned CEO.

That Aquaman scene was shot by Joss Whedon, as were all the Superman scenes in the theatrical cut. Snyder didn't want everybody to know Batman's identity, that was also a Whedon thing. As for Lex knowing, he is supposed to be extremely intelligent, with endless resources. It isn't that big of a reach that he would of found out the identities of the heroes.



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FarleyMcFirefly said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Lets see... to cut out all the shitty dialogue from Justice League

Naw look, if you found parts of those DCU films you enjoyed then that's cool, I know a few people who find the comedy elements of the Marvel universe to be rather grating when they want their comics to be dark and gritty but at the same time there are some movie flaws with Justice League which can't go unmentioned, from the scene being written, acted out and edited into the movie there are 2 scenes which when I was watching them I actually facepalmed and felt those responsible didn't understand the IP they had made a film about.

Aquaman in the fishing town in front of the pier full of fishermen stating that Bruce Wayne dresses up as a bat in Gotham and fights crime and when Superman is resurrected you get Lois running towards him shouting Clark while there is at the very least a bunch of cops about 5 feet from her, it was the same in Batman V Superman you had Lex seemingly knowing the super hero identity of both title characters with zero explanation, are they living in a world where the secret identity of the superheroes isn't important? It's just that another large element to the films was how Batman wanted to instill fear in the criminals of his crime fighting persona, I doubt criminals would have been quite as afraid if they were fully aware that inside the suit was just a rich kid turned CEO.

That Aquaman scene was shot by Joss Whedon, as were all the Superman scenes in the theatrical cut. Snyder didn't want everybody to know Batman's identity, that was also a Whedon thing. As for Lex knowing, he is supposed to be extremely intelligent, with endless resources. It isn't that big of a reach that he would of found out the identities of the heroes.

No.

You can tell the difference between Synder shots of him and Whedon simply by if the face looks cgi'd or not, there are many scenes where his face is intact. Are you basically going off a "if a scene is bad it was by Whedon and if the movie was just Synder it would have been good" because if that's the case then I think you need to go back and watch the other movies by ZS again and think... would this tone and film in Justice League have been much different from the end result?

You talk about scenes being certain directors btw, but mention one with Aquaman and Batman, it's missing the most telltale sign of being a reshoot, so what are you going from here?  Again from that scene, I don't think it's a case of the director/actors not wanting people to know his identity, I think it literally came down to poor judgement on all the parties involved to shoot the scene as they did just to have a few people behind Aquaman to scoff at the line rather than think about what he was saying.

You mentioned earlier about ZS's having a vision of Superman as a character, his vision was Jesus and in 2018 or in a comic book movie that's not really what Superman should be, he shouldn't be flying over humans lamenting about how well they etched his logo on the roof or not, he should be doing what he can to save humans while also trying to be a super version of one of us, that vision where he is better than everyone else, it can't work in a cinematic universe especially not as a part of a team, he's strength and near limitless power has always been a character Weakness of Superman when it comes to utilizing him in any media, and Synder jumped right into the pitfall of portraying him as a untouchable God.

 

Getting a bit long here but yeah

TL:DR - What are you using to suggest which JL shots were from which director?

 



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Ganoncrotch said:
FarleyMcFirefly said:

That Aquaman scene was shot by Joss Whedon, as were all the Superman scenes in the theatrical cut. Snyder didn't want everybody to know Batman's identity, that was also a Whedon thing. As for Lex knowing, he is supposed to be extremely intelligent, with endless resources. It isn't that big of a reach that he would of found out the identities of the heroes.

No.

You can tell the difference between Synder shots of him and Whedon simply by if the face looks cgi'd or not, there are many scenes where his face is intact. Are you basically going off a "if a scene is bad it was by Whedon and if the movie was just Synder it would have been good" because if that's the case then I think you need to go back and watch the other movies by ZS again and think... would this tone and film in Justice League have been much different from the end result?

You talk about scenes being certain directors btw, but mention one with Aquaman and Batman, it's missing the most telltale sign of being a reshoot, so what are you going from here?  Again from that scene, I don't think it's a case of the director/actors not wanting people to know his identity, I think it literally came down to poor judgement on all the parties involved to shoot the scene as they did just to have a few people behind Aquaman to scoff at the line rather than think about what he was saying.

You mentioned earlier about ZS's having a vision of Superman as a character, his vision was Jesus and in 2018 or in a comic book movie that's not really what Superman should be, he shouldn't be flying over humans lamenting about how well they etched his logo on the roof or not, he should be doing what he can to save humans while also trying to be a super version of one of us, that vision where he is better than everyone else, it can't work in a cinematic universe especially not as a part of a team, he's strength and near limitless power has always been a character Weakness of Superman when it comes to utilizing him in any media, and Synder jumped right into the pitfall of portraying him as a untouchable God.

 

Getting a bit long here but yeah

TL:DR - What are you using to suggest which JL shots were from which director?

 

It is very clear that those were Whedon shots. and yes, EVERY superman scene in the theatrical were from the reshoots that Whedon did. His horrible CGI was in every scene.

Also, you can tell which scenes were reshots based on Ben Affleck's facial hair. It's very inconsistent when he is going to see Arthur. 

And please, you think lines like "thirstiest reporter" or "something is definitely bleeding" is Snyder?



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