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vivster on 27 August 2018
Aeolus451 said:
vivster said:

Pretty much this. No one is pretending that limiting civilian gun ownership will solve all problems, but what kind of human trashbag do you have to be if you block each and every attempt at trying to make these shootings at least a less likely occurrence?

Could you stop insulting people who disagree with you? Otherwise you're no better or worse off.There's some gun control measures the right is willing to agree on and counter measures to prevent mass shootings/gun murders but the left always jumps to the extreme of ban all guns and dismisses any practical solutions. 

After some of you are done virtue signaling, have some knowledge of guns/gun statistics and your go-to isn't ban guns then perhaps we can have a worthwhile discussion about guns. If not then it's not worth bothering with ya.

This is just factually wrong. There have been myriads of attempts at compromise.

Fact is: Less guns equals less gun victims. More guns does not equal less gun victims. Solution: Less guns.

This isn't about disagreeing, this is defying first grader math. And I'm not going to lower myself to the level of people who cannot grasp first grade logic. I will not treat people who defy basic logic to have the same footing as I do or have somehow an equal opinion. They have not and it's a mistake to treat them as if they had.



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Aeolus451 on 27 August 2018
vivster said:
Aeolus451 said:

Could you stop insulting people who disagree with you? Otherwise you're no better or worse off.There's some gun control measures the right is willing to agree on and counter measures to prevent mass shootings/gun murders but the left always jumps to the extreme of ban all guns and dismisses any practical solutions. 

After some of you are done virtue signaling, have some knowledge of guns/gun statistics and your go-to isn't ban guns then perhaps we can have a worthwhile discussion about guns. If not then it's not worth bothering with ya.

This is just factually wrong. There have been myriads of attempts at compromise.

Fact is: Less guns equals less gun victims. More guns does not equal less gun victims. Solution: Less guns.

This isn't about disagreeing, this is defying first grader math. And I'm not going to lower myself to the level of people who cannot grasp first grade logic. I will not treat people who defy basic logic to have the same footing as I do or have somehow an equal opinion. They have not and it's a mistake to treat them as if they had.

Fact? 😹 This is why I said something about gun statistics. I'll use your wording. This is like a 1st grader arguing with others about mathematical statistics. You're arguing from ignorance on a topic that requires some knowledge of it otherwise you sound like that idiot, David Hogg.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#568a25655edc

From the studies done on this, guns save more lives from all crime than taken from unjustified killings by them.

https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

Shall I do as you do in this quote? 

"I will not treat people who defy basic logic to have the same footing as I do or have somehow an equal opinion. They have not and it's a mistake to treat them as if they had."

 



Mummelmann on 27 August 2018

Waiting for some politician to blame this on violent video games.

Really sad news, like someone else already mentioned; the worst part in all this is how commonplace it has become.



Aeolus451 on 27 August 2018
Mummelmann said:
Waiting for some politician to blame this on violent video games.

Really sad news, like someone else already mentioned; the worst part in all this is how commonplace it has become.

At least it wasn't a COD tournament.



irstupid on 27 August 2018

I so hate reading all the "just another day in America, another mass shooting"

Anytime I read that I say get off your fucking high horse whoever you are. The same can be said about anywhere else and some other act of violence. Feels like ever few weeks I hear about some vehicle driving into multiple people from some terrorist in Europe somewhere. There are plenty of statistics done showing that having guns can decrease gun violence. There are also places like Chicago that have INSANE gun laws and they are one of the highest gun violence places in the world. Oh, you say they get their gun elsewhere, huh? Well to that I say they are all fucking gang members and would get their guns just as easily if the entire US was illegal for guns. They don't fucking drive to another state to buy guns. Someone comes in and sells them, because there is profit to be made. That would not change if guns became illegal. It would just make it more lucrative cause they would charge more due to more risk/work bringing them in. Some of the richest people in the US became so due to alcohol becoming illegal and they making a killing selling it.

Don't pretend that wherever you are is so holy because guns are banned. There are shit people everywhere.

As for the situation here, I'm surprised this si really the first time this has happened at a gaming event. I've seen enough videos of gamers freaking out insanely, breaking shit, ect that one would think that if in those situations there was people around and they weren't streaming alone in their room they might take that frustration out on someone.

Am I blaming games? No, games are just the medium in those cases. Same thing is visible when a persons sports team loses or anything other passion of someones loss. There is a thing called Crime of Passion.



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m0ney on 27 August 2018

America has had this gun culture since beginning, I think it would take a few generations to change it.



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Wyrdness on 27 August 2018
irstupid said:
I so hate reading all the "just another day in America, another mass shooting"

Anytime I read that I say get off your fucking high horse whoever you are. The same can be said about anywhere else and some other act of violence. Feels like ever few weeks I hear about some vehicle driving into multiple people from some terrorist in Europe somewhere. There are plenty of statistics done showing that having guns can decrease gun violence. There are also places like Chicago that have INSANE gun laws and they are one of the highest gun violence places in the world. Oh, you say they get their gun elsewhere, huh? Well to that I say they are all fucking gang members and would get their guns just as easily if the entire US was illegal for guns. They don't fucking drive to another state to buy guns. Someone comes in and sells them, because there is profit to be made. That would not change if guns became illegal. It would just make it more lucrative cause they would charge more due to more risk/work bringing them in. Some of the richest people in the US became so due to alcohol becoming illegal and they making a killing selling it.

Don't pretend that wherever you are is so holy because guns are banned. There are shit people everywhere.
As for the situation here, I'm surprised this si really the first time this has happened at a gaming event. I've seen enough videos of gamers freaking out insanely, breaking shit, ect that one would think that if in those situations there was people around and they weren't streaming alone in their room they might take that frustration out on someone.

Am I blaming games? No, games are just the medium in those cases. Same thing is visible when a persons sports team loses or anything other passion of someones loss. There is a thing called Crime of Passion.

You just indirectly proved their point which you were angry about, the are shit people everywhere only in many places they don't have easy access to guns which is what the point was as they just just shit people who are easier to deal with. Fact is it's never been about the amendment like people always say it just comes down to groups of people making money off selling guns to the population, the same reason integrated health care is opposed as they make too much money off people paying for their health care.



Aeolus451 on 27 August 2018
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Fact? 😹 This is why I said something about gun statistics. I'll use your wording. This is like a 1st grader arguing with others about mathematical statistics. You're arguing from ignorance on a topic that requires some knowledge of it otherwise you sound like that idiot, David Hogg.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#568a25655edc

From the studies done on this, guns save more lives from all crime than taken from unjustified killings by them.

https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

Shall I do as you do in this quote? 

"I will not treat people who defy basic logic to have the same footing as I do or have somehow an equal opinion. They have not and it's a mistake to treat them as if they had."

None of your links provide anything of substance to this discussion.

The "guns save lives" link says that without guns for self-defense, an additional 162,000 homicides would have been committed in the USA in just one year. That seems like a ridiculous exaggeration, just like the article on the whole because it was written with a heavy pro-gun bias.

As long as there are no statistics that compare gun ownership and number of homicides via firearms across a multitude of countries, and the USA looking good in such a comparison, there's no reason to doubt that fewer guns will lead to fewer deaths. If you disagree, you'll hopefully provide substantial links and quote relevant excerpts.

That's just in your vaunted opinion. You didn't provide anything to counter me or the studies. You just dismissed it out of hand. What I linked provides actual facts to counter the narrative that guns only kill people in mass shooting or murders in the US. It's especially relevant in discussions about shootings and gun control. Guns in the US save more lives in self-defense against all crime than they are used in murders/mass shootings. The source studies are objective and provide more light on guns. 



Faelco on 27 August 2018
Aeolus451 said:
RolStoppable said:

None of your links provide anything of substance to this discussion.

The "guns save lives" link says that without guns for self-defense, an additional 162,000 homicides would have been committed in the USA in just one year. That seems like a ridiculous exaggeration, just like the article on the whole because it was written with a heavy pro-gun bias.

As long as there are no statistics that compare gun ownership and number of homicides via firearms across a multitude of countries, and the USA looking good in such a comparison, there's no reason to doubt that fewer guns will lead to fewer deaths. If you disagree, you'll hopefully provide substantial links and quote relevant excerpts.

That's just in your vaunted opinion. You didn't provide anything to counter me or the studies. You just dismissed it out of hand. What I linked provides actual facts to counter the narrative that guns only kill people in mass shooting or murders in the US. It's especially relevant in discussions about shootings and gun control. Guns in the US save more lives in self-defense against all crime than they are used in murders/mass shootings. The source studies are objective and provide more light on guns. 

Just a question... The 162.000 additional homicides would be done with what? A teaspoon?

 

Because if the logic is "We need more guns to protect from guns homicides", then there is a serious logic issue here.

 

And I won't even bother reading the links, everybody knows how lobby and oriented journalism/statistics work. Prayers save more lives than science too, right ? I'm sure some church in the US provided some statistics to prove that. 



setsunatenshi on 27 August 2018

It's ok everyone... I'm sure the shooter was part of a well regulated militia