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Aeolus451 on 27 August 2018
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RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Fact? 😹 This is why I said something about gun statistics. I'll use your wording. This is like a 1st grader arguing with others about mathematical statistics. You're arguing from ignorance on a topic that requires some knowledge of it otherwise you sound like that idiot, David Hogg.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#568a25655edc

From the studies done on this, guns save more lives from all crime than taken from unjustified killings by them.

https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

Shall I do as you do in this quote? 

"I will not treat people who defy basic logic to have the same footing as I do or have somehow an equal opinion. They have not and it's a mistake to treat them as if they had."

None of your links provide anything of substance to this discussion.

The "guns save lives" link says that without guns for self-defense, an additional 162,000 homicides would have been committed in the USA in just one year. That seems like a ridiculous exaggeration, just like the article on the whole because it was written with a heavy pro-gun bias.

As long as there are no statistics that compare gun ownership and number of homicides via firearms across a multitude of countries, and the USA looking good in such a comparison, there's no reason to doubt that fewer guns will lead to fewer deaths. If you disagree, you'll hopefully provide substantial links and quote relevant excerpts.

That's just in your vaunted opinion. You didn't provide anything to counter me or the studies. You just dismissed it out of hand. What I linked provides actual facts to counter the narrative that guns only kill people in mass shooting or murders in the US. It's especially relevant in discussions about shootings and gun control. Guns in the US save more lives in self-defense against all crime than they are used in murders/mass shootings. The source studies are objective and provide more light on guns.