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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

Don't you expect that some percentage of PhD scientists will be religious when the population they come from is like 80-90% religious? I don't see why this matters. Apologies but I don't really feel like watching another fucking prager U video so if you can summarize why this matters at some point I'd be interested. Because I think the argument that religious don't really work with science based thinking (which I assume is what you are trying to convey with that fact about PhD scientists) would be based on the fact that scientists are much less religious than the general communities they come from. For example in the US:

https://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

It's not that it's impossible to be a scientist and be religious, but that as one leans more towards evidence based thinking such as what comes from a scientist's training they tend to move away from religion. Now it's possible that the job of scientists biases towards those that already didn't have religious leanings, but I'm not sure that matters to my argument as the statement would just be in reverse.



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NightlyPoe said:
Yes. The odds against my birth are so infinitesimally small that it would seem arrogant to believe I was just that lucky. The universe would have to evolve pretty much exactly as it did for 13.8 billion years in order to give me the chance to see through these eyes.

As for what that God entails, I remain fairly faithless on the details.

When you use the word God do you imply something sentient that created the universe or can it include something insentient. 

The way I look at it is not yet but eventually science will be able explain how starting with the big bang how the laws of physics interacted with matter to eventually create chemistry then biology then life etc.  

Anything before the big bang may be impossible to know or comprehend for the human brain.  Whether you choose the starting point to be laws of physics and matter or some god that created that chose is largely irreverent to me.  Can always ask what before God or before big bang so got to choose a starting point.  

what I mean is in the above scenario there 2 options for using the word God

1) A God that started the universe but unnecessary after that point.  Which I don't believe has much importance to anything.  

2) If you want apply the word god to laws of physics fine but again that a word game and largely irreverent whether you call it god or physics.

My point is it not unlikely but probably quite likely given the laws of physics and amount of matter at start (big bang) that eventually planets would form that would support life and that life would form on those planets (probably multiple).  The way stuff interact with each other is most defiantly not random.

I find the idea that a Sentient God existing and takes any interest in humans to be so extremely unlikely compare to the current state of universe forming naturally post big bang and a God that done nothing since the Big Bang to be irreverent that I fine calling my self a Atheist but I freely admit I have no clue what the universe was pre-big bang or if it even possible to ever know.  



dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

So,your final argument on the matter is that you believe because you want to believe, not because there's any facts supporting your claim whatsoever. 

If everything science is God, but God simply represents what we don't or can't know, then accept that 'god' is a metaphor and nothing more. There's absolutely no reason to believe in a sentient, omniscient, omnipotent being except because you want to. Nothing in our observable universe leads towards the idea that it was guided by anyone or anything higher. but because chaos doesn't fit in your worldview, you HAVE to believe it. 

God may be a metaphor, but nothing more.

God may be a philosophical concept, but nothing more. 

'God' exist as an idea, but the idea that 'god' is an entity simply beyond our understanding is arrogant, devoid of logic, irrational, and borne of a psychological need for comfort, not out of rational, scientific conclusion. 



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Yes, I believe in God, as much as I believe in the existence of anyone else I have interacted with personally. He has literally healed my body of a hernia without a surgery (instantaneously too), and He has told me things that would happen years before they happen, or sometimes given me guidance without telling me why, only for me to obey and eventually discover why He said I should take a certain path. I've only read the responses on the first page of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat something someone else has already said. Now let's look at this from a neutral perspective of someone who doesn't believe in God, but is open to the possibility: Looking for a scientific, logical proof of the existence of God is just the wrong way to go about it because by definition, God transcends this physical plane. The only way to scientifically prove God would be to find a way to strip him down to this plane. It's like 2D trying to prove the existence of 3D or a software trying to prove the existence of sentience, for lack of better analogies. I've also learnt years ago that sharing details of my actual experiences with God on the internet serves no purpose to someone who doesn't already believe, because they have no proof that anything I say actually happened. I'm a stranger on the internet and I could be making everything up as I go. It's like trying to describe the taste of a new edible item to someone who has never tasted it. Nothing you say can actually pass across the information at all. But anyone who has tasted it once will understand what you're saying, even if you're embellishing it by saying "it tastes like it, but a bit more sour" or "a bit spicier"



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Paperboy_J said:
Of course there is a God. Look at a rainbow and tell me there's no God.

I looked at a prism instead, which works exactly like a rainbow. Didn't see any god in there. Is he shy?



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We had to have come from somewhere, no matter how you slice it. And since nothing can create itself (scientific fact), an eternal being is the only thing it could have been. Nothing else would make sense.



I don't understand this "tiny chance" argument. The earth is in a totally random place in the universe, so why does it matter that it is where it is? Now if it actually was in the exact center of the universe or some other special place we can talk about it because that would be astounding. If this place the earth is in is so special then I'd really like someone to explain to me what's so special about this random place. And while we're at it explain why there are so many other plantes in our solar system and why not every planet has life. I mean what's the point in creating 1 octillion planets and putting life on supposedly only one?

I don't like when people who have no concept of "evidence" want to go all math on me.



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

So,your final argument on the matter is that you believe because you want to believe, not because there's any facts supporting your claim whatsoever. 

If everything science is God, but God simply represents what we don't or can't know, then accept that 'god' is a metaphor and nothing more. There's absolutely no reason to believe in a sentient, omniscient, omnipotent being except because you want to. Nothing in our observable universe leads towards the idea that it was guided by anyone or anything higher. but because chaos doesn't fit in your worldview, you HAVE to believe it. 

God may be a metaphor, but nothing more.

God may be a philosophical concept, but nothing more. 

'God' exist as an idea, but the idea that 'god' is an entity simply beyond our understanding is arrogant, devoid of logic, irrational, and borne of a psychological need for comfort, not out of rational, scientific conclusion. 

Of course there is, just look in the mirror.  Do you have any idea how complicated the human body is?



tolu619 said:
Yes, I believe in God, as much as I believe in the existence of anyone else I have interacted with personally. He has literally healed my body of a hernia without a surgery (instantaneously too), and He has told me things that would happen years before they happen, or sometimes given me guidance without telling me why, only for me to obey and eventually discover why He said I should take a certain path. I've only read the responses on the first page of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat something someone else has already said. Now let's look at this from a neutral perspective of someone who doesn't believe in God, but is open to the possibility: Looking for a scientific, logical proof of the existence of God is just the wrong way to go about it because by definition, God transcends this physical plane. The only way to scientifically prove God would be to find a way to strip him down to this plane. It's like 2D trying to prove the existence of 3D or a software trying to prove the existence of sentience, for lack of better analogies. I've also learnt years ago that sharing details of my actual experiences with God on the internet serves no purpose to someone who doesn't already believe, because they have no proof that anything I say actually happened. I'm a stranger on the internet and I could be making everything up as I go. It's like trying to describe the taste of a new edible item to someone who has never tasted it. Nothing you say can actually pass across the information at all. But anyone who has tasted it once will understand what you're saying, even if you're embellishing it by saying "it tastes like it, but a bit more sour" or "a bit spicier"

I also believe you can be able to see,feel,hear what you think is god and other things related to him using science.

Our brain is a trickartist that sometimes is fooling ourselves,you can trigger hallicunations with selfhypnose and the most important part is that you need to clear your mind and believe in something to make the brain to fill in the missing information itself with it's own audiovisual images/hallucinations.

You can try it with a sharp looking picture that if you stare at it for a long time and try forgetting it is a picture it might start altering itself in front of you.