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Yes. 27 37.50%
 
No. 36 50.00%
 
Indifferent/comments/Who is America? 9 12.50%
 
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Random_Matt on 13 August 2018

8th gen, close thread.

I do find it funny though, why Nintendo fans are so desperate for it to be 9th gen, does it really matter that much?



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Mandalore76 on 13 August 2018
Shadow1980 said:
RolStoppable said:

Failures don't last that long.

Besides, if you grant the Dreamcast that long of a hypothetical lifespan, you should do the same for Switch which would then put it into generation 9 even by your logic.

@Bolded: The Saturn lasted longer than the Dreamcast with worse sales. The Wii U lasted longer than either of them. The fact is, the DC was on the NA market for a mere 18 months before it was discontinued (only 28 months in Japan). It was prematurely terminated before it had a chance to have a normal life cycle. I fail to see how that in any way challenges any concept of console generations. It was not a normal situation.

@Italicized. Because assuming a 2020 or 2021 release date for the PS5 and Xbox 4 the Switch will likely be at or past its peak. By late 2022, the Switch will likely be well on the way out, if it hasn't already been replaced yet. The Switch will have spent its prime years competing against the PS4 & XBO.

Now, if the Switch ends up being less front-loaded and longer-lasting than is the norm for Nintendo systems, I might be willing to change my stance. I won't argue that it's Gen 9, but I would say that it might too ambiguous of a case to neatly classify into one generation or the other, and that Nintendo systems, by running on a shorter cycle than PS & Xbox, might need to be excluded from the numerical generations (because it'll start to get ridiculous if we see people argue that Nintendo is already on Gen 10 a mere two years after the PS5 & Xbox 4 are out). But with the way things stand now, I don't see how anyone can classify it as anything other than Gen 8.

The Switch is a hybrid of handheld and console.  So, it has as much chance of enjoying a Nintendo handheld lifespan as it does a Nintendo home console.  If it enjoys the lifespan of the DS (9 years) or even the 3DS (over 7 years and still in production), it will still be in production in 2024 (maybe in and upgraded, mid-gen refresh version?).  If PS5 or Next Xbox release in 2020, that would put in competition with next gen systems longer than previous.  This is all hypothetical of course, but still a possibility.



potato_hamster on 13 August 2018

Here's something to consider. Does the Switch release when it does as it does if the Wii U had 60 million in sales at the end of 2016 instead of 10 million or whatever it had then? I bet not.

How does that factor into anything if at all?



HollyGamer on 13 August 2018

Wii U is 8th Gen consoles with system that can run graphic on 7th gen games. Switch is a 9th gen consoles/handled with system that can run graphic on 7th gen games, the same like Wii U (but slightly tiny better/ and more efficiency ).

Switch is a handled version of Wii U different gen but the same capability (more or less)



Mandalore76 on 13 August 2018
ThatDreamcastTho said:
Mnementh said:

I'm kinda torn about this. Not about the question as it is, but about the generation thing at all. On the one hand, I see the usefulness to group things in the same category. On the other hand it is only working because most of the time the manufacturers decided to release their platforms not to far removed from each other.

But there are already examples that stretch the definitions of gens. Look, the Dreamcast and Xbox weren't sold at the same time (Dreamcast was killed 2001, end of 2001 released the Xbox). Still they both are counted towards the PS2-gen. In reality though Dreamcast and Xbox never competed against each other.

Depending on the overlap it makes sense to me, to compare the Switch to both, the PS4 and Xbox One, but also to PS5 and Scarlett. At least if Nintendo does not release Switch 2 a year after PS5 drops.

Wrong. Dreamcast still had new retail games coming out in 2002. And many of the Xbox games after that were ports or cancelled releases of Dreamcast games.

Not wrong actually.  The Dreamcast has a Worldwide Discontinued date of March 31, 2001.  That's over 7 months before the Xbox launched in November later that year.  In fact, the announcement was made by Sega on January 31, 2001.  Any games made for the Dreamcast after the official discontinuation date are irrelevant to the fact that it's manufacturer had long since acknowledged that it had already withdrawn from the console market.  Therefore, it's not inaccurate to say that the Dreamcast never actually competed in the same marketplace with the Xbox.  



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The_Liquid_Laser on 13 August 2018
Shadow1980 said:
RolStoppable said:

Failures don't last that long.

Besides, if you grant the Dreamcast that long of a hypothetical lifespan, you should do the same for Switch which would then put it into generation 9 even by your logic.

@Bolded: The Saturn lasted longer than the Dreamcast with worse sales. The Wii U lasted longer than either of them. The fact is, the DC was on the NA market for a mere 18 months before it was discontinued (only 28 months in Japan). It was prematurely terminated before it had a chance to have a normal life cycle. I fail to see how that in any way challenges any concept of console generations. It was not a normal situation.

@Italicized. Because assuming a 2020 or 2021 release date for the PS5 and Xbox 4 the Switch will likely be at or past its peak. By late 2022, the Switch will likely be well on the way out, if it hasn't already been replaced yet. The Switch will have spent its prime years competing against the PS4 & XBO.

Now, if the Switch ends up being less front-loaded and longer-lasting than is the norm for Nintendo systems, I might be willing to change my stance. I won't argue that it's Gen 9, but I would say that it might too ambiguous of a case to neatly classify into one generation or the other, and that Nintendo systems, by running on a shorter cycle than PS & Xbox, might need to be excluded from the numerical generations (because it'll start to get ridiculous if we see people argue that Nintendo is already on Gen 10 a mere two years after the PS5 & Xbox 4 are out). But with the way things stand now, I don't see how anyone can classify it as anything other than Gen 8.

Generation is not based on the market leader.  Generation is based on the first successor to market.  Generations 4, 5, and 6 were also started by Sega consoles, because they were the first successors to enter the market place.  Sony and Microsoft do not define generation 9, because they did not have the first successor in the marketplace.  Switch is the successor to both the 3DS and Wii U (both generation 8 consoles).  Therefore generation 9 has already begun with the Switch.  

This is how generation is used in any other context as well.  When a couple has their first child, then they have begun a new generation in their family.  If they later have more kids, those kids are still in the same generation.  The first successor (in this case the first child) is what starts the next generation.



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killeryoshis on 13 August 2018

Switch being 8th generations causes silly things to happen. For instance, if the Switch outsells the PS4 then does that mean Nintendo wins the 8th generation and therefore wins two generations in a row? If this question sounds silly then the Switch being 8th generation will also sound silly.



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potato_hamster on 13 August 2018
John2290 said:
potato_hamster said:
Here's something to consider. Does the Switch release when it does as it does if the Wii U had 60 million in sales at the end of 2016 instead of 10 million or whatever it had then? I bet not.

How does that factor into anything if at all?

If they wii U had sold 60m in by jan1st 2017 the switch would not have happened in it's current form and the little predicament wouldn't need to be questioned.

That's what I mean, the fact that this console exists because its predecessor bombed so hard, does that factor into the equation?



Cerebralbore101 on 13 August 2018

I'll say it again. If Switch is gen 8, then DS and GBA were both gen 6. Why? Because GBA was only around for about three years before the DS launched. The Wii U on the other hand was around for about four years before the Switch launched.



Ganoncrotch on 13 August 2018
JRPGfan said:
Shiken said:
No it is not 8th gen. Graphical power =/= equal console generation.

On the same hand... how can a console much weaker than the PS4/XB1, with older tech, be a gen ahead?

Seventh Generation

Wii - CPU 729 MHz IBM PowerPC "Broadway"[13]

Sixth Generation

Original Xbox - Custom 733 MHz Intel Pentium III "Coppermine-based" processor

So yeah... processing power hasn't ever determined which generation a system is in.



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