RolStoppable said:
Nintendo games exceed 15m and 20m too though, so getting to 10m isn't really Nintendo level. You keep using TLoU's sales that combine the original PS3 version and the remastered PS4 version.
But we are going in circles here. I've subscribed to this thread, so coming back to it every 12 months won't be a problem.
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Yes because that is just one game. PS3 and PS4 practically plays the same and the release of Last of us remaster is 1 year apart from the PS3 release date.
So why can't I use that and then we compare it to the likes of combined sales of Pokemon X and Y and Sun and moon?
Yes, please do that. I am glad you subscribed. Atleast someone will notice if I update the number.
zorg1000 said:
What do you mean if we match the total sales its close? Its not at all.
Dont you think adding PS3 sales of TLOU in a discussion about PS4 is disingenuous? I mean if we allow that than we have to add re-release sales of Nintendo games which puts PS4 even further behind.
Sony first party is doing great but its not on Nintendo levels yet and probably wont ever be.
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I am referring to the overall sales of 3DS games on the chart I provided.
4 games I highlighted has the combined sales of 28M of known number with estimate for last of us and all those are sold thru customer. We are not even counting the sales of other games like GTS, Bloodborne, Detroit, infamous and etc.
How is it disingenuous when I am speaking with over all sales? Last of us is just one game that release on 2 Playstation platform.
Yes, we can do that but it will not invalidate that Last of us sold 17M to consumers and it's matching a lot of Nintendo game.
Train wreck said:
You have to remember that if you give any of the Nintendo fans (like Rol, etc) here an inch...
Your title leave open the inclusion of any Nintendo system so they are obviously going to use the most successful Nintendo system to show that Sony has a long away to go or use Nintendo's least selling system to show that even with everything the PS4 has going for it, it can only muster Wii U level software sales for first party games.
The normal person would understand that Sony first party games have sold extremely well during the PS4 era, where only a game like Gran Turismo would get to 10+ million prior to this gen, Sony this time around has five to six titles that can reach that level (and more), something only exclusive to Nintendo consoles.
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I think I raffled some feathers already, It seems I triggered some of them and I feel I said something bad or something.
The bold is true before it's only GT but now we have a lot of contenders.
But still Sony still need to ramp up their output. Especially Japan studios. I want them to release big game.
The_Liquid_Laser said:
I'll address these points in reverse order.
4. You put "at Ninty Level" in the title of this thread. This means you are comparing Sony first party to Nintendo first party. They are not on the same level. I am trying to show you what is "at Ninty level". Perhaps you don't realize how big Ninty first party actually is? All of the games you mentioned in your first post are what I would call "second tier". Zelda and 3D Mario are also second tier. If you want to compare those Sony games to Zelda and 3D Mario then that is fine. But Nintendo has much bigger first party games than that like Pokemon, 2D Mario and Mario Kart.
3. This is not Sony's best first party performance. Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m. When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk. They aren't there yet.
1&2. A) I didn't mean to compare shipped with sold through. In the rest of our discussion I will just stick with VGC numbers to compare likes with likes. However even when the data is adjusted none of the points I've made are nullified.
1&2 b) GTA V is not a different beast of a game. It has sold 90m+ plus copies, because its on many platforms. Minecraft has even sold 100m+ copies. Do you think it could do that on one platform? No way in hell! A fair comparison is single platform to single platform, or even two platform totals to two platform totals. Comparing sales on one platform to another game on 5+ platforms is not a fair comparison.
So lets compare two platform totals then. (I know you realize that all of these numbers are going to be bigger, because they are the sum of two platforms.)
GTAV (PS3) + GTAV (PS4) = 20.3m + 18.2m = 38.5m Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB) + Pokeom Heartgold/Soulsilver (DS) = 23.1m + 11.8m = 34.9m
Look, both of these games have sold in the 30m - 40m range on two platforms. GTA V is even better. Good for it! But selling 30m - 40m on two platforms is very big deal, so I would put both of these games in the same top tier. Do you know what game doesn't belong in this tier? The Last of Us.
TLoU (PS3) + TLoU (PS4) = 6.3m + 6.3m = 12.6m (using VGC numbers)
Wow, that is not even close to either Pokemon or GTA V. TLoU is not "at Ninty level". Sony knows this! Sony doesn't even expect their first party games to be "at Ninty level". This is why I am mentioning GTA V. Sony expects games like GTA V to sell "at Ninty level". GTA V is Sony's heaviest hitter, right? When you compare GTA V on a single platform then you see it sells like a Pokemon or Mario Kart or 2D Mario game. Those are Nintendo's heaviest hitters.
Instead Sony first party is more like Nintendo second tier: Zelda, 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, etc.... If you are saying that Sony first party is like Nintendo's second tier, then I agree. But Sony's top first party games are NOT at the same level as Nintendo's top first party games. Sony first party is not really "at Ninty level". Because when you actually compare likes to likes, then you realize that "Ninty level" is the same as "GTA level". Gran Theft Auto: San Andreas sold 20.8m, another top tier game. Gran Theft Auto can sell 20m+ on a single platform. That's really impressive. But Nintendo has had many games that have sold 20m+ on a single platform. That is why GTA level is on the same as tier as "Ninty level". Sony first party is not on this level.
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Let me start with
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17465488/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-ps3-ps4
A Sony representative told Polygon that the figure consists of units sold through to customers.
That will be as accurate as you can get. That will be your best source because the numbers came from Sony it self and yeah that's Pokemon level.
and Why are we combining the sales of Silver and Gold again?
So now let's dicuss GTA V.
If we use Last of us VGC number here. 12.6M that leaves us 4.4M of digital sales for TloU, so with that in mind. Do you think with the caliber of of GTA V digital sales will be a non factor?
You cannot just use retail copies of GTA V only because there's huge chunk of sale that are being left out.
And to answer your question about GTA V being multi-platform it might not reach 95M with just one platform but If this was exclusive to PS4 then it will not just sell 25+M but it might sell 40M - 50M+
The fact that GTA V stiill charts in NPD and Pal charts further proves my point and beating a lot of games on the process.
Also, did you really added the sales of the Pokemon remake? Are we comparing a straight port to remakes now just to prove a point? Wow just wow.
Original remake.
original remake
And the remake added a lot of features that's not on the original. Do you even want me to do a rundown for you and how Soul silver and heart gold also included a lot of Pokemon that is not on the original?
Practically the same game with upscaled GFX. Do you spot significant difference?
Practically the same game
Last edited by NoCtiS_NoX - on 14 August 2018