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Mr Puggsly said:

Most people don't have great opportunities handed to them. Successful (people who live relatively comfortably) and unsuccessful people come from the same communities, schools, etc.

Well. The entire second and third world tends to disagree.

Mr Puggsly said:

Those who thrive generally just worked harder or made smarter choices in life.

I don't buy the liberal argument that there are simply too many barriers for healthy normal functioning people to thrive.

It's not really a liberal argument.

Fact of the matter is, geographical location tends to have a stupidly massive influence on successful career employment, there are likely cities in the US of A for instance that tends to trend lower than the rest of the nation in terms of average income, employment rates and so on. - That's just a sad reality of life... And there are likely edge cases all over the planet where we can see the same occurrence.
And that is before we touch on economic strength, available resources, infrastructure, education, job to population ratios (I.E. China and India suffer there) and so on.

That doesn't mean that if you work hard or make the correct choices you can't succeed, far from it... It's just that there is significantly more barriers that prevents more people from reaching those same goals.

I would like to think I am "successful" considering I have three careers going, I work damn hard... But that is only because I had opportunities available and I didn't let them slip away. - Often I hear people tell me they couldn't do what I do, that's fair enough.



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Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Most people don't have great opportunities handed to them. Successful (people who live relatively comfortably) and unsuccessful people come from the same communities, schools, etc.

Well. The entire second and third world tends to disagree.

Mr Puggsly said:

Those who thrive generally just worked harder or made smarter choices in life.

I don't buy the liberal argument that there are simply too many barriers for healthy normal functioning people to thrive.

It's not really a liberal argument.

Fact of the matter is, geographical location tends to have a stupidly massive influence on successful career employment, there are likely cities in the US of A for instance that tends to trend lower than the rest of the nation in terms of average income, employment rates and so on. - That's just a sad reality of life... And there are likely edge cases all over the planet where we can see the same occurrence.
And that is before we touch on economic strength, available resources, infrastructure, education, job to population ratios (I.E. China and India suffer there) and so on.

That doesn't mean that if you work hard or make the correct choices you can't succeed, far from it... It's just that there is significantly more barriers that prevents more people from reaching those same goals.

I would like to think I am "successful" considering I have three careers going, I work damn hard... But that is only because I had opportunities available and I didn't let them slip away. - Often I hear people tell me they couldn't do what I do, that's fair enough.

Right, I'm speaking as a person not in a fucked country. Which is why many people move to a country like the US. I didn't think that need to be clarified.

This is a large country where people do have the ability to move and find better opportunities, many do. Maybe some will have to move to find good opportunities. Many move simply because liberal leaning cities are too expensive. I live in a Phoenix so I meet people who left these cities all the time.

I'm not arguing everybody has access to the same goals. That's not really important in my opinion. There isn't a finite amount of opportunities to live well.



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massimus said:

As far as they know lol. These details just surfaced and it was 5 years ago I think it said? I’m not trying to implicate Feinstein in anything other than being dumber than shit, like the rest of the American left. Go back and read my original post before you start going off on more random shit. I said twitter wars are not news, news is finding out that Feinstein had a spy as her right hand for 20 years. A woman in our intelligence committee. Don lemon might be the dumbest man on TV but Feinstein in the dumbest woman in congress. The rest of the left is not far behind them. That was my only point, how am I wrong? You got your source from leftist dumpster fires, let it go. 

Well, that must mean that Trump is the biggest moron of all then? =) 

Manafort and Papadopalous worked for Trump for a few months and haven’t been proven as spies. An actual spy worked for this retard Feinstein for 20 years. So no lol...



massimus said:
DonFerrari said:

You seem to have some difficult with terms.

Private =/= paid

Public =/= free

You can make a private school and decide to not charge any tuition. And still all public school are paid through taxes.

Exactly. If it’s not his own private school then it’s no different than the other public schools. If he wanted to make a public school then he could have poured all of that money into existing schools. Infrastructure, electronic and paper resources. Get them on a head start so their budget is easier to mange for awhile. There is a reason people go to these lotteries for a chance to get their kid in a charter school. The demand is crazy, they break down in tears when they win or lose. Public schools have failed multiple generations. 

Lebron has his heart in the right place but he just wants to build it an move on. His democrat philosophy is in his way. He could do a non profit charter school. He could afford the best teachers annual salary. Any money that he gets from the school could be dumped right back into the school. Or even make more schools if the demand is there which it is. He should wait until he retires and then go all in. I think it’s a noble cause. 

Yep, problem with some people is that they have the means, the motive, but doesn't have the knowledge to make good use of both.

collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

You seem to have some difficult with terms.

Private =/= paid

Public =/= free

You can make a private school and decide to not charge any tuition. And still all public school are paid through taxes.

Even if his school went the charter school route and did a lottery that still doesn't help the situation. A good education shouldn't be luck of the draw or a pay to win system it should be given to everyone in that community. 

So you think Lebron should fix public school? Because we are discussing Lebron here and I just wanted to show you that he making it private doesn't make it paid (he could allow all students free tuition if he wanted).

collint0101 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Blame the local governments that run shitty public schools and democrats who oppose charter/private schools.

Republicans want to give people vouchers so they can pay for private schools instead of being stuck at public schools. Meanwhile charter schools are limited/obstructed by supporters of the failed public system.

The solution is give people more options and lets parents decide which school will benefit their children most. The voucher system and more charter schools would allow that. Public school is failing children and that hurts the poor primarily.

Then we should fix the public school. Giving vouchers to people that can't afford private schools would be nice but we shouldn't have people trying to escape shitty public schools in the first place. At that point we're just dancing around the problem instead of actually fixing it all while people that don't get vouchers or can't afford to go to private schools suffer. 

Again, so should we complain that Lebron isn't correcting the public school?

Let me tell you something. bang per buck private will likely be better than public even though it still have to return profit so the "cost" would need to be a little smaller than the revenue.

But exactly because they have to profit they try their best to offer value.

Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I agree its easier to become wealthy if you start wealthy. However, most people who become wealthy weren't welathy. Plenty of research has been done on this topic.

If you were earning say... $20,000-$30,000 a year, it is insanely difficult to have the disposable income in order to create appropriate investments in order to garner significant wealth.
But if you already had millions in the bank, you already have the disposable cash to invest and build wealth from.

That doesn't mean you cannot become wealthy from a low income... Or someone wealthy can become poor... It is just simply far easier for someone who started out with millions to build more wealth as they have larger financial buffers.

Mr Puggsly said:

Also, the joke about Trump was he was handed a million and he naturally turned that into billions. But most people don't or can't accomplish that. Certainly some credit is due.

Indeed. I am not discrediting his achievement, it is a pretty significant one, just merely framing it in an appropriate context.

Now... If he was someone who built ALL of that wealth from only a couple of bucks inside their parents Garage like a few other billionaires, then that is an even better achievement, wouldn't you think?

Sorry man, but the reason those garage enterpreneur or Trump would become billionaires have much more to do with offering something of great value to costumers than they having few Ks or Ms in the bank.



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Soundwave said:
One guy is sending kids to school, the other is locking them in cages. I know which side of the fence I'm on.

Well said.



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SuaveSocialist said:
o_O.Q said:

but lets be real here, the man is West Korea's Beloved  Leader, he's super rich, he has donated massively to charities and to his community, he's had some of the most attractive women in the world fighting for him etc etc etc

compare that to everyone on this forum collectively

Comparison works for me.  Aside from not being a despotic figurehead, I've got him beat in all categories listed.

first off how is trump in anyway a despot? what despotic laws has he leveled against the citizens of america?

lol and aren't you a teenager? your profile said that you were 16 or something like that, am i supposed to believe that a teenager has those accomplishments?

and now i've seen everything... a socialist bragging about being better than others

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Pemalite said:
o_O.Q said:

he's super rich, he has donated massively to charities and to his community, he's had some of the most attractive women in the world fighting for him etc etc etc

compare that to everyone on this forum collectively

Trump inherited wealth.
It's easier to make more wealth when you already are wealthy.

As for donating to charities and the community... Who cares? There was likely tax reasons for the donations anyway.

o_O.Q said:

you think you are more intelligent than trump? why?

The fact that Trumps intellectual fortitude can be questioned is actually rather telling.
He isn't the brightest crayon in the box, but he does seem to resonate better with (All due respect) "simpler" folk.

"Trump inherited wealth.

It's easier to make more wealth when you already are wealthy."

true but i didn't say otherwise

 

"As for donating to charities and the community... Who cares?"

the point is that he's given more to poor people than you would in 100 lifetimes

 

"The fact that Trumps intellectual fortitude can be questioned is actually rather telling."

not really... it can be done with anyone

 

"He isn't the brightest crayon in the box, but he does seem to resonate better with (All due respect) "simpler" folk."

why are you calling trump supporters/republicans stupid?

 

furthermore what do you have to say about the throngs of smoking hot women fighting over trump?



Mr Puggsly said:
collint0101 said:

Then we should fix the public school. Giving vouchers to people that can't afford private schools would be nice but we shouldn't have people trying to escape shitty public schools in the first place. At that point we're just dancing around the problem instead of actually fixing it all while people that don't get vouchers or can't afford to go to private schools suffer. 

You need to accept there is no magical switch that can be flipped to make public schools a good or great option in every community. Again, this is local issues that needs to be dealt with by many cities. More importantly, it would NEVER happen quickly (if ever) so that means many kids suffer with shit schools. Hence, put your ideology aside because its hurting children and communities.

If we simply pass the voucher system for all states and allow more charter schools, we give parents a lot more power to provide their kids a better education.

If you give everybody more options, then everybody has access to something better.

Fixing public schools is something that needs to be done on a local or community level and LeBron opening a public school does way more to help his community than only serving those wealthy or lucky enough to get into a charter or private school. A good public school helps the community as a whole a good charter school only helps those lucky enough to win a raffle



DonFerrari said:
massimus said:

Exactly. If it’s not his own private school then it’s no different than the other public schools. If he wanted to make a public school then he could have poured all of that money into existing schools. Infrastructure, electronic and paper resources. Get them on a head start so their budget is easier to mange for awhile. There is a reason people go to these lotteries for a chance to get their kid in a charter school. The demand is crazy, they break down in tears when they win or lose. Public schools have failed multiple generations. 

Lebron has his heart in the right place but he just wants to build it an move on. His democrat philosophy is in his way. He could do a non profit charter school. He could afford the best teachers annual salary. Any money that he gets from the school could be dumped right back into the school. Or even make more schools if the demand is there which it is. He should wait until he retires and then go all in. I think it’s a noble cause. 

Yep, problem with some people is that they have the means, the motive, but doesn't have the knowledge to make good use of both.

collint0101 said:

Even if his school went the charter school route and did a lottery that still doesn't help the situation. A good education shouldn't be luck of the draw or a pay to win system it should be given to everyone in that community. 

So you think Lebron should fix public school? Because we are discussing Lebron here and I just wanted to show you that he making it private doesn't make it paid (he could allow all students free tuition if he wanted).

collint0101 said:

Then we should fix the public school. Giving vouchers to people that can't afford private schools would be nice but we shouldn't have people trying to escape shitty public schools in the first place. At that point we're just dancing around the problem instead of actually fixing it all while people that don't get vouchers or can't afford to go to private schools suffer. 

Again, so should we complain that Lebron isn't correcting the public school?

Let me tell you something. bang per buck private will likely be better than public even though it still have to return profit so the "cost" would need to be a little smaller than the revenue.

But exactly because they have to profit they try their best to offer value.

Pemalite said:

If you were earning say... $20,000-$30,000 a year, it is insanely difficult to have the disposable income in order to create appropriate investments in order to garner significant wealth.
But if you already had millions in the bank, you already have the disposable cash to invest and build wealth from.

That doesn't mean you cannot become wealthy from a low income... Or someone wealthy can become poor... It is just simply far easier for someone who started out with millions to build more wealth as they have larger financial buffers.

Indeed. I am not discrediting his achievement, it is a pretty significant one, just merely framing it in an appropriate context.

Now... If he was someone who built ALL of that wealth from only a couple of bucks inside their parents Garage like a few other billionaires, then that is an even better achievement, wouldn't you think?

Sorry man, but the reason those garage enterpreneur or Trump would become billionaires have much more to do with offering something of great value to costumers than they having few Ks or Ms in the bank.

At the end of the day it comes down to the fact that no private school can benefit the same amount of people as a public school. Even if there's this huge exodus of 20% of all kids in that community leaving to go to LeBron's charter or private school my problem is that still leaves 80% at the shitty public school. If you fix the public school you wouldn't have people trying to leave or find more options 



o_O.Q said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Comparison works for me.  Aside from not being a despotic figurehead, I've got him beat in all categories listed.

first off how is trump in anyway a despot? what despotic laws has he leveled against the citizens of america?

lol and aren't you a teenager? your profile said that you were 16 or something like that, am i supposed to believe that a teenager has those accomplishments?

and now i've seen everything... a socialist bragging about being better than others

And seemly also a Billionaire at 16 is such a rare occasion that he may have some reports about him on the internet... also one would expect that he them would use his money to his ideal and make a lot of charity and free school and medical right? 



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