The tweets are irrelevant? Tell that to Disney, pretty sure those are what got him fired...

The reason for linking them is it's always a good idea to know the morale standards of the person who is instructing the masses to be outraged at someone, it's a good idea to know the background of the man on the podium telling people to be upset and fire someone over something in 2009, people are outraged by the tweets of Gunn now... but those have existed for a decade without anyone pointing to them and saying "be angry at him" you have to think that person directing you to be upset, what does he have to gain from it, what is his background to want Gunn ruined for something 10 years old.

I feel this would be an ill time to make a joke about it.... but perhaps there is some Irony to the conversation and something that is 10 years old! Ba Dum Tis

There seems to be this grave misconception that people are angry because this person told people to be angry - no, that's not the case. This person showed Gunn's own statements, and those made people angry, even moreso because of his own stance on tweets being public statements that you'll have to face consequences for. That's an extremely important step to skip.

The tweets are 10 years old, people were not angry about them or felt a need to act upon them until they were dragged back into the public eye by this person.

Don't say it's unrelated to the person who dragged them out and plaster them around in a smear campaign, no one was in the least bit aware / caring about 10 year old garbage jokes/tweets until it was asked of them to be upset.

I feel this is the same about when a comedian makes a joke about people who are deaf and blind, chances are non of those people are going to hear or see the joke to be offended by it, but sure enough someone will convert said insult into braille so that they can know they should be upset about the original comment, at the point where you are the one dragging the stuff into the light you have to take some bit of responsibility for what comes next and like I said you need to be invested and have something to gain from going to the effort of dragging that stuff into the light.

Or heck, maybe I'm wrong, perhaps people just happened to start browsing 10 year old deleted tweets in their spare time yeah?

I think you understand very well that what you're saying doesn't make sense. People are angry because of the tweets, but they were not aware of them. Cernovich brought them to people's attention, they became aware, and became angry. This is not Cernovich saying "Look, be angry at this person", this is Cernovich showing tweets that exist which people were not aware of and make them angry.

Now, I'm not angry over them, personally. I don't have any horse in this race. I think they're dumb as hell, because there's barely any joke in there, they're just offensive to be offensive which is crap IMO. However, two key points are:

- Disney will not want to be associated with any such statements. That's 100% understood by anyone, unless they're lying. This was probably Cernovich's intention with spreading the tweets. But Cernovich did not write these tweets. They already existed. To do an extreme example, say someone gets away with murder for 20 years. Suddenly, somebody presents evidence that was there all along, but people chose not to see, and the person gets put in jail for their crime. His loved ones then suddenly blaming the witness who presented the evidence is unreasonable rather than blaming their loved one for committing the crime in the first place. I don't care how vile of a person Cernovich is, because he's not relevant to these happenings beyond presenting the tweets that already existed.

- Gunn himself supported this sort of "trial by media" in the past, and now he's being subjected to it himself. As I've already said in this thread, credit to him for being understanding and graceful about it, and saying that Disney did the right thing. He's not a hypocrite, and he's taking the hit for the things he tweeted despite his probably unjust firing. This is a big reason why people are being smug at him about it, because he was already smug at others (Roseanne, notably) when they were fired for tweets.

The tweets being 10 years old simply is not relevant to Disney. It's poison to their brand. They do not want to be associated with it. Was this Cernovich's dastardly plan? Yes, probably. But Gunn was the one who wrote the tweets. They exist because of him. Cernovich simply brought them to light. It's fair play to bring up any of Cernovich's previous damning tweets in retaliation, by all means, but he's not employed by Disney so again, I don't see the relation.

I'm done arguing with ya since you're being intellectually dishonest about the left creating this mob culture and going after people's jobs as a tactic. You're acting like an ideologue. Defend a dude with a fascination with making 10k pedo comments and jokes in tweets like "The Expendables was so many I f***** the sh** out of the little p***y boy next to me! The boys ARE back in town!" to your heart's content. 

Btw James Gunn also tweeted...

"I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn't. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn't mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent."

Well just because he said that, doesn't necessarily mean it couldn't happen. If Disney knocks at his door with enough zeros I doubt he'd turn it down. I definitely think he'd be perfect for it, given what he did with Thor. His style would mesh very well with the Guardians.

This is ridiculous. They are offensive tweets, not funny and quite unpleasant but not enough to deserve to be punished forever. They are things of the past and people have the right to change, much more if we are talking about things that are written in a social network. It is not as if he had directly raped someone or committed pedophilia. Also, I can hardly believe that Disney did not know these tweets before. Someone made a scandal for this and they hypocritically took the easy way.

Above comment says it all in a clear and calm manner.

It shows that you're a writer, and a good one at that.

I'll try to break everything down instead of leaving a wall of text.

- The funny thing about all this are the people covering it on Youtube. They'll show you what he said, but they will not say it out loud because they're afraid of getting a strike on their channel, lol. I can't blame them, but still. It's hilarious.

- As far as Disney firing him is concerned, I can't blame them. They have an image they like to keep and as soon as someone gets out of line, they have to protect their brand. I think had it been a different company and if he was working on movies with a different kind of demographic, they may have let it slide. For him , it was the worst kind of situation to be in.

- As far as what he said, it's definitely questionable. It's one thing to make sick cringe jokes. I know his background. He worked for Troma Entertainment. That kind of sick humor is almost to be expected. HOWEVER, it is concerning because it wasn't just a few tweets. He made literally hundreds of tweets about the same subjects matter. These tweets were about rape and pedophilia. It was almost as if he had some weird obsession with that stuff. Also, joking about it with a guy who later got arrested for child porn doesn't do James Gunn any favors.

- As for Mike Cernovich, if you hate that guy, I've got bad news for you. There's nothing you can do about it. You can post controversial tweets from him all day, but it doesn't matter because he can't get fired. He doesn't work for anybody. It also doesn't change what James Gunn had tweeted. Unless you have definite proof that Mike Cernovich is a rapist or a pedophile, there's nothing his opponents can do.

- Then there's the political atmosphere. I think the problem is the left has decided that they are going to be the modern day moralists. 30 years ago, or even up until 10 years ago, the right were the moralists. The left also runs the entertainment industry. As a result of all this, whenever somebody says or tweets something that is deemed immoral, that's it. They're done. The context doesn't even matter anymore. Look at Roseanne. James Gunn supported her getting fired and what she said wasn't nearly as bad as what he said. Look at the controversy surrounding Papa Johns, though that isn't entertainment, but still. I think if the left insists of being moralists, then they should hold themselves to the same standards as everyone else and in this case, that is exactly what Disney has done. In my personal opinion, I don't think any side should strive to be the moralists. I think what is deemed controversial and unacceptable should be dealt with on an individual basis, mostly because context matters.