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I just did the math and...I have more games on my PS5 than I have ever had on any console. sure, most of them are PS4 games, but that's not the point. Everywhere I go hear people bitching about how the Ps5 has no games, and I just can't help but shake my head at it. I do not understand why people keep pushing that narrative.

Do people not understand that, like, a console isn't gonna have its full library within its first year?
Do people not understand that a new console just coming onto the market isn't going to be as robust and refined as the previous generation, which had 5-7 years to grow?
Do people not understand that buying ANY new console is an investment in the future and not an immediate 'now I have 100 things to play'?
Do people not understand that virtually every console generation starts with a tonne of cross-generational games?

Like, all this bitching seems to be coming from people who are just eager to be cynical or are too shortsighted to see any sort of emerging pattern in the market. IT's like they collectively don't understand how economics or game development works. It's like they have no idea how things work or what strengths and weaknesses different mediums have. It annoys me so much because it doesn't matter where I go see the same accusations coming around and I can't help but think that these people are either unfathomably stupid or have some sort of agenda behind their cries. Like dude, lots of people are having a hard time getting PS5s, that doesn't mean you gotta downplay its success just so you don't personally feel as upset that you can't afford it. Then there's the console wars, which I don't even wanna get into here.

I just don't understand it at all. I do not understand how so many people can be so brazenly ignorant to how any of this works. I can't go on facebook or reddit or twitter or any forums of any kind to discuss games without at least a half dozen different posters all bitching and whining and saying new consoles suck (All new consoles, not just Ps5) because they have no games, or more specifically PS5's launch lineup sucks because it only had two exclusive titles (Demon's Souls and Astro). Like, do these people genuinely not understand that consoles rarely have great lineups and that they usually gain momentum in their mid to late life cycle? All they see is a launch with a handful of games and immediately go to 'it sucks, it's not worth it, you're all too stupid and you're consumer sheep' not realizing that....any game console is an investment.

Nobody buys a console in its first year because it has a tonne of games you can ONLY get on that console. They get it because they are investing in the future. I didn't get a Ps5 at launch because I absolutely HAD to play Demon's Souls (Though that was nice), I got it because I know that franchises like God of War and Horizon and Ratchet and Clank are coming out on it. I buy it because Sony has had a great track record of delivering on plenty of variety, quality, and quantity when it comes to gaming options both first party and third party. I get Sony consoles because it's a great all-rounder system that appeals to basically everyone. I buy Nintendo because even if they don't do well, their core franchises (Mario, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, kirby, Mario kart, etc) are always a great time and among my favourites in any given generation.

No console comes out fully baked immediately...yet historically the two most recent systems in my collection (Switch and Ps5) have had the best first years ever. Both had a bunch of remasters and rereleases, both had a bunch of cross generational games, both had a handful of true exclusives, and both had a lovely number of multiplatform games. That's a great release strategy, because the wider your net the more fish you can catch. You can't just focus on shooters or racers or what-have-you. You can't only do pure exclusives and you can't forego exclusives entirely. You gotta have a console that mixes the old with the new, the exclusive with the multiplatform, the established franchises with the new IP, the tried-and-true genres with the more niche stuff. Nintendo and Sony have both done a remarkably good job with balancing this, and as a result both have done remarkably well in their first years.

I do not understand how anyone can look at these numbers or analyze even the smallest bit of data on modern consoles and say 'the new generation sucks' without looking like an absolute fool.

I get if some people don't wanna take a risk on that investment, or don't want to buy a console if it doesn't already have, say, 5-10 games they want that they can ONLY get on that console. that's a perfectly valid personal choice. I get it. I understand. What I don't get is this overzealous nonsense about how these companies are doing poorly or that anyone's a fool for making that investment early. Especially when I look back and realize I have nearly 250 games on my PS5 right now between the PS4 and PS5 library. All playable with maxed-out potential and the best controller ever.

Oh, and by the end of the year I'll own 25+ PS5 games. Not many of them will be true exclusives (Demon's Souls, returnal, Ratchet & Clank, and AStro's Playroom are the only ones I know of at this time), but being able to play games like Witcher III, Doom Eternal, FFVII Remake, and so, SO many others that are their best on PS5/XSX is amazing. I don't know how anyone can look at this generation and declare it a bad start. I just do not see the logic in it at all and it comes across as so aggressively ignorant that it actually makes my very angry. Like, irrational levels of frustrated. I wanna rant every time I See someone making this claim because it's so far removed from reality yet it spreads and is weirdly pervasive and people don't care. It upsets me.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

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Runa216 said:

I just did the math and...I have more games on my PS5 than I have ever had on any console. sure, most of them are PS4 games, but that's not the point. Everywhere I go hear people bitching about how the Ps5 has no games, and I just can't help but shake my head at it. I do not understand why people keep pushing that narrative.

Do people not understand that, like, a console isn't gonna have its full library within its first year?
Do people not understand that a new console just coming onto the market isn't going to be as robust and refined as the previous generation, which had 5-7 years to grow?
Do people not understand that buying ANY new console is an investment in the future and not an immediate 'now I have 100 things to play'?
Do people not understand that virtually every console generation starts with a tonne of cross-generational games?

Like, all this bitching seems to be coming from people who are just eager to be cynical or are too shortsighted to see any sort of emerging pattern in the market. IT's like they collectively don't understand how economics or game development works. It's like they have no idea how things work or what strengths and weaknesses different mediums have. It annoys me so much because it doesn't matter where I go see the same accusations coming around and I can't help but think that these people are either unfathomably stupid or have some sort of agenda behind their cries. Like dude, lots of people are having a hard time getting PS5s, that doesn't mean you gotta downplay its success just so you don't personally feel as upset that you can't afford it. Then there's the console wars, which I don't even wanna get into here.

I just don't understand it at all. I do not understand how so many people can be so brazenly ignorant to how any of this works. I can't go on facebook or reddit or twitter or any forums of any kind to discuss games without at least a half dozen different posters all bitching and whining and saying new consoles suck (All new consoles, not just Ps5) because they have no games, or more specifically PS5's launch lineup sucks because it only had two exclusive titles (Demon's Souls and Astro). Like, do these people genuinely not understand that consoles rarely have great lineups and that they usually gain momentum in their mid to late life cycle? All they see is a launch with a handful of games and immediately go to 'it sucks, it's not worth it, you're all too stupid and you're consumer sheep' not realizing that....any game console is an investment.

Nobody buys a console in its first year because it has a tonne of games you can ONLY get on that console. They get it because they are investing in the future. I didn't get a Ps5 at launch because I absolutely HAD to play Demon's Souls (Though that was nice), I got it because I know that franchises like God of War and Horizon and Ratchet and Clank are coming out on it. I buy it because Sony has had a great track record of delivering on plenty of variety, quality, and quantity when it comes to gaming options both first party and third party. I get Sony consoles because it's a great all-rounder system that appeals to basically everyone. I buy Nintendo because even if they don't do well, their core franchises (Mario, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, kirby, Mario kart, etc) are always a great time and among my favourites in any given generation.

No console comes out fully baked immediately...yet historically the two most recent systems in my collection (Switch and Ps5) have had the best first years ever. Both had a bunch of remasters and rereleases, both had a bunch of cross generational games, both had a handful of true exclusives, and both had a lovely number of multiplatform games. That's a great release strategy, because the wider your net the more fish you can catch. You can't just focus on shooters or racers or what-have-you. You can't only do pure exclusives and you can't forego exclusives entirely. You gotta have a console that mixes the old with the new, the exclusive with the multiplatform, the established franchises with the new IP, the tried-and-true genres with the more niche stuff. Nintendo and Sony have both done a remarkably good job with balancing this, and as a result both have done remarkably well in their first years.

I do not understand how anyone can look at these numbers or analyze even the smallest bit of data on modern consoles and say 'the new generation sucks' without looking like an absolute fool.

I get if some people don't wanna take a risk on that investment, or don't want to buy a console if it doesn't already have, say, 5-10 games they want that they can ONLY get on that console. that's a perfectly valid personal choice. I get it. I understand. What I don't get is this overzealous nonsense about how these companies are doing poorly or that anyone's a fool for making that investment early. Especially when I look back and realize I have nearly 250 games on my PS5 right now between the PS4 and PS5 library. All playable with maxed-out potential and the best controller ever.

Oh, and by the end of the year I'll own 25+ PS5 games. Not many of them will be true exclusives (Demon's Souls, returnal, Ratchet & Clank, and AStro's Playroom are the only ones I know of at this time), but being able to play games like Witcher III, Doom Eternal, FFVII Remake, and so, SO many others that are their best on PS5/XSX is amazing. I don't know how anyone can look at this generation and declare it a bad start. I just do not see the logic in it at all and it comes across as so aggressively ignorant that it actually makes my very angry. Like, irrational levels of frustrated. I wanna rant every time I See someone making this claim because it's so far removed from reality yet it spreads and is weirdly pervasive and people don't care. It upsets me.

Sorry to cut you short, but ever since at least PS3 reveal every year is time to say current PS system have no game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dx11332sega said:

Brazil get's price drop for PS5 thank you Sony.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps5-playstation-5-sony-price-cut/

Xbox is probably close by (government dropped the tax for gaming another 10%, I think it is the 3rd cut in like 2 years).

Hope dolar exchange ratio also drops (it is hovering between 5 and 5.3) so we can have more price reductions.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So I take it there was no news of any PS State of Play this week like rumoured?



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android



Good to know this is still coming out on PS5. Am I reading it right? does this come with all the Creation Club content, too? I already bought all that's available on Ps4, but this would still be very, very nice.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

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I love sharing this image because as of right now it's a remarkably well-balanced show of how good the first year of both Switch and PS5 have been. I only keep posting it and bringing it up because I keep seeing all the memes about how PS5 has no games and how it's dumb to buy PS5 now and blah de blah, when, like....reality just doesn't support that stance at all.

Both consoles had a balance of between tiny indies and AAA titles, with everything in between. both had entries in major franchises as well as new IP. Both had first and third party support. both had true exclusives and cross-gen releases. Both consoles were a perfect balance of a little bit of everything, and both are breaking sales records for their respective companies! Oh, and if you average out the top 12 of each company:

Nintendo - 85.3%
Sony - 84.6%

So they are remarkably close all-around! I don't understand how anyone can actually see the stats and the facts and come to the conclusion that the PS5's first year has been anything but amazing.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Good to see a 3rd party FPS support Gyro. If Developers can nail the execution it could really be a huge evolution for FPS control on Playstation.




I've spent over a year tweaking a prototype for an FPS which uses gyro, Although there's a small learning curve, once people get use to it they'll never want to go back to sticks alone



Finally got my PS5, had to sign up on Gamestop with their exclusive membership. $800 plus bundle, but so far very worth it. Love the controller. I first thought the dualsense would just be like the Xbox's triggers, so I wasn't that hyped about it. I was definitely wrong about that, just by playing a little big of Astro Playroom it's very different. Bundle came with Miles Morales, and Ratchet; second controller, PS+ as well. Two of the games I wanted most on PS5. Also picked up Nep Nep. Will soon pickup Ghost of Sushi and FF 7R. Need to round out my PS4 collection with Trails 4, and Nocturne. Just platted Ys 9 hours ago. Amazing game and worth a pickup.

So far really enjoying the PS5. It's very big, UI is clean and fast, controller I really enjoy. Will be using it as my exclusive console going forward. Upcoming games I'm looking forward to are Sushi as I never played it on PS4, and Kena. Not sure what else is launching this year, but PS4 was IMO the best console last gen just by looking back at the sheer amount of just exclusives I bought on it. Even though I preferred Xbox.

Will definitely need to play more PS5 games to really test thing thing on loading screens. Ys 9 being the first game played on the system, it was barely noticeable. Moving to Persona Strikers next. Honestly can't think of anything I dislike about the console so far. Very excited for Persona announcements next month, and for more bangers on PS5.



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Spade said:

Finally got my PS5, had to sign up on Gamestop with their exclusive membership. $800 plus bundle, but so far very worth it. Love the controller. I first thought the dualsense would just be like the Xbox's triggers, so I wasn't that hyped about it. I was definitely wrong about that, just by playing a little big of Astro Playroom it's very different. Bundle came with Miles Morales, and Ratchet; second controller, PS+ as well. Two of the games I wanted most on PS5. Also picked up Nep Nep. Will soon pickup Ghost of Sushi and FF 7R. Need to round out my PS4 collection with Trails 4, and Nocturne. Just platted Ys 9 hours ago. Amazing game and worth a pickup.

So far really enjoying the PS5. It's very big, UI is clean and fast, controller I really enjoy. Will be using it as my exclusive console going forward. Upcoming games I'm looking forward to are Sushi as I never played it on PS4, and Kena. Not sure what else is launching this year, but PS4 was IMO the best console last gen just by looking back at the sheer amount of just exclusives I bought on it. Even though I preferred Xbox.

Will definitely need to play more PS5 games to really test thing thing on loading screens. Ys 9 being the first game played on the system, it was barely noticeable. Moving to Persona Strikers next. Honestly can't think of anything I dislike about the console so far. Very excited for Persona announcements next month, and for more bangers on PS5.

Damn $800+ bundle you be splashing that cash around son! I'm fairly sure Ys IX didn't get any PS5 optimisations just a boost in resolution up to 4K if launched on a PS5 so you will have some increase in loading but not the full boost optimised games get. The only game I specifically tested myself out of curiosity was FFXIV with the PS4 version on PS5 taking 6-7 seconds to load between areas and the version designed for PS5 is 2-3 seconds whilst having much higher graphical settings.



WoodenPints said:
Spade said:

Finally got my PS5, had to sign up on Gamestop with their exclusive membership. $800 plus bundle, but so far very worth it. Love the controller. I first thought the dualsense would just be like the Xbox's triggers, so I wasn't that hyped about it. I was definitely wrong about that, just by playing a little big of Astro Playroom it's very different. Bundle came with Miles Morales, and Ratchet; second controller, PS+ as well. Two of the games I wanted most on PS5. Also picked up Nep Nep. Will soon pickup Ghost of Sushi and FF 7R. Need to round out my PS4 collection with Trails 4, and Nocturne. Just platted Ys 9 hours ago. Amazing game and worth a pickup.

So far really enjoying the PS5. It's very big, UI is clean and fast, controller I really enjoy. Will be using it as my exclusive console going forward. Upcoming games I'm looking forward to are Sushi as I never played it on PS4, and Kena. Not sure what else is launching this year, but PS4 was IMO the best console last gen just by looking back at the sheer amount of just exclusives I bought on it. Even though I preferred Xbox.

Will definitely need to play more PS5 games to really test thing thing on loading screens. Ys 9 being the first game played on the system, it was barely noticeable. Moving to Persona Strikers next. Honestly can't think of anything I dislike about the console so far. Very excited for Persona announcements next month, and for more bangers on PS5.

Damn $800+ bundle you be splashing that cash around son! I'm fairly sure Ys IX didn't get any PS5 optimisations just a boost in resolution up to 4K if launched on a PS5 so you will have some increase in loading but not the full boost optimised games get. The only game I specifically tested myself out of curiosity was FFXIV with the PS4 version on PS5 taking 6-7 seconds to load between areas and the version designed for PS5 is 2-3 seconds whilst having much higher graphical settings.

Oh wow, so it wasn't even optimized. Very excited to see the PS5 games' loading screen. I doubt Neptunia (lol) would be optimized or Strikers for that matter. I know you loved Ys 8. I think I enjoyed Ys 8 a little more just for the story. But Ys 9 has a wonderful cast IMO. 



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