Barkley said:
GribbleGrunger said:
I love how people are rationalising this as if the choice Joel made was some sort of moral choice. If you believe Joel made the wrong choice, tomorrow, go to your fathers or mothers or children and tell them to their face: 'You know, if I had to choose between possibly saving humanity and saving you, I'd let you die.' This is a nonsense of a conversation.
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He made the wrong choice because it shouldn't have been his choice to begin with. It was Ellie's.
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You're not thinking logically. Joel didn't make a choice. He wasn't confronted with a dilemma, consider the two options and 'choose' saving Ellie, he just reacting as a Father would (and should). He wasn't running and gunning his way through three rooms full of soldiers while simultaneously weighing the pros and cons. He was running to save his daughter, having already failed his first daughter. You're trying to retrospectively associate consideration to a situation in which there was NO consideration, not even the time to consider.
When they were heading for the Fireflies, there was no indication that Ellie could die. Ellie herself spoke to Joel about what they'd do AFTERWARDS, meaning she didn't consider she may die. Ellie was then taken to the operation table unaware of what could befall her. There was NOTHING to consider, either from Joel's perspective or Ellie's perspective. The whole thing was just Joel saving his daughter from death.
Only when he saved Ellie, went down the elevator and was confronted by Tess, was the consideration part of the narrative. At that point he DID make a choice but it was still a Father's choice and so the right one for Joel. The ironic thing here is the way they played this scene out. We see Joel's shoulders and head slump, giving the impression of 'consideration'. Because we, the player, saw that, when he's in the car and the camera is focused on a rather pensive looking Joel, for one moment (a deliberate moment) we think he may have chosen to leave Ellie. At that point, EVERY SINGLE let's player is hoping Ellie is in the back seat and then sigh with relief when she is. So, during the game, EVERY player believes Joel has made the right choice because we too now feel for Ellie.
It's perfect. All this 'I'd save the world' is primary school virtue signalling.