(spoiler) I'll never forgive that game for making the doctor magically die from a bow shot to the HAND. I though "I'll disarm the guy," and then he just straight up died from it. The cardinal sin of gaming is forcing the player to make a choice they don't want just to complete the game. Joke's on Naughty Dog, though. I turned the game off and my headcanon is that Ellie died to save the world.

What's this fanfiction about her being alive in Part II?

make the vaccine, get a new story for TLOU2.

It's funny (or rather sad) how you deliberately avoid answering the obvious question here.

You did imply if she's NOT your daughter she's only cargo to you or a thing that is not your problem.... I made nothing up, you simply could not say "I'd save her EVEN if she was not my daughter", you couldn't say it because what I said there is exactly the truth.

And again the problem is not just one person (you) the problem is that this form of selfish rationalization is "logic" to a LOT of people and it's probably the reason why the scenarios we see in so many games/movies/TV shows like The Last of Us or The Walking Dead where humans are as much a danger to humans as zombies are, is a very realistic scenario should some kind of apocalypse hit the real mankind. The only difference in the real world being that there would only be humans and no zombies obviously.

Look. The only difference about the two of us is that you jump to conclusions you make yourself.

I was speaking from the perspective of Joel, That when I would be in his place I would have probably done the same. NOTHING about any other human beeing. OK? do you understand this simple statement?

Without further ado, can you answer me one thing.

Where are you right now? Are you right now saving children? or any humans? like right now?

You see all those horrible people in movies like Mad Max or games like The Last of Us or TV shows like The Walking Dead. All those groups of people that impose a reign of terror and decide to kill people that don't follow their rules or pillage and murder villagers as they travel across the land. I really think that inside their heads THIS kind of reasoning is what helps them justify their evil deeds:

"No one's innocent, none of those people we murder rape and pillage are our sons or daughters so what we do is not wrong, actually we are great guys, we bring back law and order..."

Selfishness at extreme levels is not necessarily evil. I own my home, I got my money to buy things for me ONLY, I do what it takes to survive every day (find a job, don't have kids, don't spend money stupidly etc...) I don't give money to hobos or other people, I don't owe them anything. I don't give blood to the Red cross and so on...  In other words you could say I'm selfish to extreme levels but you CANNOT say I'm evil. I don't kill anyone (even to save someone else) I don't steal from anyone, I don't beat up a girlfriend,  will not frame someone of a crime to benefit me etc... An evil person could be selfish yes but a selfish person is not necessarily evil.

And no I definitely do not agree with the vaccine people. You DO NOT KILL a child for ANY reason. If you think you can kill her YOU are both evil and selfish and you have a very misguided morality. In this case your misguided morality is to think that you can quantify the value of human life, that you can decide that this one must die and this one must live. It's what the worst people in history has tried to do, like Hitler when he decided that Jews must die cause Germans must thrive and there is no room on earth for Jews as the earth belongs to the so called "superior" race and just like you he went for numbers: 6 million Jews dead so that 40 or 50 million Germans can go on living in what he called their "vital space".

I really hope you don't believe your own words cause if you do, holy shit, in an apocalypse type of event you'd be one of the worst and most dangerous people.

Oh crap, I'm not saving children RIGHT NOW, so I guess I'm wrong: Rape and murder Ellie in Joel's situation cause since I'm not saving kids RIGHT NOW my argument has no legs to stand on...

You guys get through very crazy types of reasoning to justify something that is obviously evil and I am baffled by that.

And you're not even the worst. At least if she's your daughter you'd try to save her if something like what happens in that game happened to you. But you don't want to say that you'd save her if she was not your kid and that says it all dude.

It took 118 posts for Goldwin's law to come into effect. On average, that translates to there was about a 0.585% chance of a Hitler mention in any given post this thread, assuming we are talking about sure convergence of random variables... I think? I haven't studied any maths like that for many years.

You are as hypocritical as it gets. You are even stating that you are inactive. One time you will realise that your inaction also kills.

If my daughter would die of hunger in africa I would immediately fly out and save her.
Right now somebody elses daughter is dying of hunger in africa. Am I flying out no? so whats your point?
Where is your moral compas right now?
I dont think you understand what you are talking about.

I'm honest I say things as they are. Neither YOU NOR ME are flying to Africa to save kids so we are equal on this.

Our difference is NOT in flying far off to save someone but saving a child that is RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. I would not SELL ELLIE to the Fireflies EVEN if she's not my daughter. You'd SELL her BECAUSE she is not your daughter. That is a huge difference and the horrible thing here is that you don't seem to realize it, you don' see it, you try to justify that by putting the "we don't fly to Africa to save kids" argument. It's an interesting one and we can discuss it in a thread that goes with THAT topic but the fact you try to use that argument to justify selling out a kid only because that kid is NOT your daughter shows how broken your moral compass is.

And AGAIN you're not even the worst: At least if she's your daughter you'd try to save her.

The OP asked a question. You are supposed to put yourself in that situation and make the decision based on your own views. The Last of Us was about all those things but this question you have to answer knowing all the information available. That's the way I choose to answer it and justify it. Do you have a problem with that?.