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CaptainExplosion said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Yes they're being recycled. They're used to get someone in and then given to another person to use to claim its their ''child'' so that can gain illegal entry into the states. That's exactly what recycling means.

 

There is literally zero ways to track if these kids and families are really even related to each other. So many times these people that claim ''these are my kids'', really aren't their parent at all and most likely a trafficker.  The only way to legally and factually determine the identity of these immigrants and their family is by contacting their home country and getting the official documents. That takes time, so what do you do? you can't let them freely into our society,you have to hold them, that's just common sense. 

Now with this executive order they will be able to be detained together, just like the media and democrats ''wanted''.  

It's a law passed by a democrat in the 90's that has us in this situation and it hasn't gotten any better, even under republican leadership of Bush, it didn't change for the better. So it's not just Democrats who hold the blame, its the Republican party as well

All of this sounds like pro-Trump propoganda. Do you even have any proof that these children are being trafficked? Or are you just going to spout more nonsense about how you believe Mexicans are horrible criminals?

Are you kidding me? Nearly 1/3 of all trafficking victims come through the southern border of the US. (LINK) There was even a 60 Minutes on the topic of human smuggling through the southern border. (LINK)

I know you think the world is ending because Trump is President, but this specific issue is quite important to me. Been involved in anti-human trafficking since I was teenager, so I really ask you don't minimize what happens.

Edit: Didn't even realize this was a Muslim ban thread, sorry for making it further off topic.

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Snoopy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Efforts to increase security, a stronger economy, tax cuts, and hopefully continued reducing of regulations... this is truly that dystopian/fascist future the media warned us about with no hyperbole.

Meanwhile the dems are pushing open borders, higher taxes, and kicking republicans out of restaurants? I gotta admit the dems really understand what's important to the ham and eggers.

This is the tolerant "left". You either agree with us or we will ruin your life mentality. Bill Maher wants a recession that will hurt American families in order to get rid of Trump. 

Bill Maher isn't leftist. He believes that Islam is of a lesser moral standard than other religions due to 9/11. He owns guns and believes they're necessary for proper defense. He's more sympathetic to Israel compared to Palestine. Bill Maher just says whatever is on his mind and hates the presence of political correctness. Don't use the stupid shit said by one kook to generalize an entire political stance. It's about as dumb as me trying to paint conservatives as intolerant, racist bigots because Roseanne said some racist stuff in a tweet one time.



 

 

the-pi-guy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Meanwhile the dems are pushing open borders, higher taxes, and kicking republicans out of restaurants? I gotta admit the dems really understand what's important to the ham and eggers.

Open borders:  Democrats are not pushing for open borders.  There is already a fence throughout most of that region.  

Building a wall requires huge amounts of money, stealing land from Americans who live there, and disrupting the wildlife that lives there.  This is huge costs before we get into how effective it would be.  A huge percentage of illegal immigrants aren't going to be stopped by a wall, because they came here legally, they just overstayed.  

Higher taxes:

Democrats like paying for their expenses.  They don't tax people, just to tax people.  On the other hand, many Republicans raise expenses, and lower taxes.  Which in turn leads to large deficits.  Take a look at that $20 trillion debt.  

Kicking republicans out of restaurants: 

This isn't something all Democrats did.  It was one instance.  Deciding not to serve someone, who believes that it's okay not to serve someone?  That seems like it should be okay.

The left wants open borders as in allowing unmitigated immigration and to dissolve national borders.

Not that expensive relative to what it would accomplish. Walls work. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-practice-in-other-parts-of-the-world It would cut down illegal immigration simply by making it much more difficult to bring your family across.

The dramatic growth of the deficit is the result of Obama's spending. No amount of taxing higher would fix it. It's gonna require cuts to social programs and letting businesses/people make money to whittle away at it. I think Trump should legalize pot but only licensed sellers/growers can sell it. 

Actually, dems like Maxine Waters is calling for dems to do worse.



Smartie900 said:
Snoopy said:

This is the tolerant "left". You either agree with us or we will ruin your life mentality. Bill Maher wants a recession that will hurt American families in order to get rid of Trump. 

Bill Maher isn't leftist. He believes that Islam is of a lesser moral standard than other religions due to 9/11. He owns guns and believes they're necessary for proper defense. He's more sympathetic to Israel compared to Palestine. Bill Maher just says whatever is on his mind and hates the presence of political correctness. Don't use the stupid shit said by one kook to generalize an entire political stance. It's about as dumb as me trying to paint conservatives as intolerant, racist bigots because Roseanne said some racist stuff in a tweet one time.

Bill Maher is part of the Democratic party and most of his ideology is liberal if not all. Second, he isn't the only one. A simple google search shows a lot of people that are liberal want bad things to happen to get rid of Trump and Republicans. For example, a lot of them want open borders in order to get more democratic voters. Even though they know it will result in innocent American lives getting ruined by drugs, murderers, and gangs. This isn't some gray area policy, it's ILLEGAL and morally wrong on so many fronts.

You have democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi trying to defend MS-13 (fucked up, to say the least). It would be one thing if it was a few liberals or small group compared to the whole, but it's not at all. Just like how some people think BLM group don't hate cops even though when they have their rallies a lot of them will chant "we want dead cops" with pretty much no one to stop them in their group.

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the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

The left wants open borders as in allowing unmitigated immigration and to dissolve national borders.

Oh give me a break.  This is the same kind of logic that leftists use when they compare Trump to Hitler.  

It's just fear and propaganda.  

Aeolus451 said:

Not that expensive relative to what it would accomplish. Walls work. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-border-wall-is-standard-practice-in-other-parts-of-the-world It would cut down illegal immigration simply by making it much more difficult to bring your family across.

Different circumstances.  

About half of all illegal immigrants wouldn't be stopped by a wall. 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/donald-trump-2016-wall-wont-work-214167

I'm sure you don't care about these kinds of things, so of course you think it would easily be worth it:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-wall-could-cause-serious-environmental-damage/

I don't.

Aeolus451 said:

The dramatic growth of the deficit is the result of Obama's spending. No amount of taxing higher would fix it. It's gonna require cuts to social programs and letting businesses/people make money to whittle away at it. I think Trump should legalize pot but only licensed sellers/growers can sell it. 

Yes, Obama raised the debt the most.  

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Obama: $8 trillion, due to tax cuts, poor economy, a stimulus package and plenty of other things.  

Bush: $6 trillion

Trump:

FY 2019 - $1.225 trillion.

FY 2018 - $1.233 trillion.

Obama:

FY 2017 - $672 billion.

FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion.

FY 2015 - $327 billion.

FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion.

FY 2013 - $672 billion.

FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.

FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.

FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.

FY 2009 - $253 billion.

Bush:

FY 2009 - $1.632 trillion. This was Bush's deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act. FY 2008 - $1.017 trillion.

FY 2007 - $501 billion.

FY 2006 - $574 billion.

FY 2005 - $554 billion.

FY 2004 - $596 billion.

FY 2003 - $555 billion.

FY 2002 - $421 billion.

Aeolus451 said:

Actually, dems like Maxine Waters is calling for dems to do worse.

Sure, and there's conservatives that are calling for way way worse. 

No, it's not.That's what political lefties actually say the want.

That's not including expenses from the paris accord if we stayed in.

What right leaning politicians, media or celebrities are calling for way way worse than what Maxine Waters is pushing for? I didn't realize that the left consider debates acts of violence.



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Snoopy said:
Smartie900 said:

Bill Maher isn't leftist. He believes that Islam is of a lesser moral standard than other religions due to 9/11. He owns guns and believes they're necessary for proper defense. He's more sympathetic to Israel compared to Palestine. Bill Maher just says whatever is on his mind and hates the presence of political correctness. Don't use the stupid shit said by one kook to generalize an entire political stance. It's about as dumb as me trying to paint conservatives as intolerant, racist bigots because Roseanne said some racist stuff in a tweet one time.

Bill Maher is part of the Democratic party and most of his ideology is liberal if not all. Second, he isn't the only one. A simple google search shows a lot of people that are liberal want bad things to happen to get rid of Trump and Republicans. For example, a lot of them want open borders in order to get more democratic voters. Even though they know it will result in innocent American lives getting ruined by drugs, murderers, and gangs. This isn't some gray area policy, it's ILLEGAL and morally wrong on so many fronts.

You have democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi trying to defend MS-13 (fucked up, to say the least). It would be one thing if it was a few liberals or small group compared to the whole, but it's not at all. Just like how some people think BLM group don't hate cops even though when they have their rallies a lot of them will chant "we want dead cops" with pretty much no one to stop them in their group.

I can agree with you on the fact that the Democratic party is corrupt and cares more about their own political interests rather than the well being of their own citizens. However, that results more from the broken nature of the 2 party system rather than actual beliefs or ability to compromise. Due to the Democratic and Republican parties being the only 2 that are relevant in the American political atmosphere, they're compelled to be contrarians and to do the exact opposite of the opposing party in order to justify their own existence. I see no sense in the Republican administration demanding less regulations in regards to the Clean Water Act rather than to oppose the stance of Democrats who support the act. I see no sense in Democrats defending a toxic, brutal gang like MS-13 rather than to oppose Republicans who despise them. My issue on this matter comes down to equivocation of 'Democrat' to liberal beliefs and "Republican" to conservative beliefs. That's what they're meant to stand for, but that concept does not apply well to reality. These 2 parties don't represent the demands of common American citizens and only support them through reference. Using the actions of high ranking individuals in 2 scummy parties to categorize the beliefs that a person may lean towards is about as infuriating as foreigners assuming that all Americans are war mongering assholes that want the rest of the world to burn to ashes because of the actions of our manipulative government. I may have been to quick to attack your statement and I apologize if I came off as standoffish, but I hate discrediting entire groups of people based off of their individual life experiences and genuine beliefs that aren't motivated by a political agenda.



 

 

the-pi-guy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Meanwhile the dems are pushing open borders, higher taxes, and kicking republicans out of restaurants? I gotta admit the dems really understand what's important to the ham and eggers.

Open borders:  Democrats are not pushing for open borders.  There is already a fence throughout most of that region.  

Building a wall requires huge amounts of money, stealing land from Americans who live there, and disrupting the wildlife that lives there.  This is huge costs before we get into how effective it would be.  A huge percentage of illegal immigrants aren't going to be stopped by a wall, because they came here legally, they just overstayed.  

Higher taxes:

Democrats like paying for their expenses.  They don't tax people, just to tax people.  On the other hand, many Republicans raise expenses, and lower taxes.  Which in turn leads to large deficits.  Take a look at that $20 trillion debt.  

Kicking republicans out of restaurants: 

This isn't something all Democrats did.  It was one instance.  Deciding not to serve someone, who believes that it's okay not to serve someone?  That seems like it should be okay.

Taking care and dealing with illegal immigrants, also incredibly costly. In comparison the wall looks like a drop in the bucket. Even the low estimate are significantly more than that wall.

Democrats keep pushing for expenses and expect all of us to cover it. People have the illusion it will just be felt by the rich and that's not reality. Republicans entertain the idea of cutting the budget, but the democrats treat any potential cut as the end of the world. Frankly, we couldn't get taxed enough to cover how out of control spending has gotten. The $20+ trillion debt didn't happen from tax cuts, its the increased spending. The only options are reduce spending OR slow spending so the economy can catch up.

Republicans/right leaning people getting chastised in public primarily for having opposing views has become common place. Its also become common for right leaning speakers to have their events shut down due to the intolerant left. Even personally I've had left leaning friends/acquaintances became hostile simply because my views differ.

Its not just about refusing service, dems are using it at as means of grandstanding. It accomplished nothing, the manager had to step down and it created sympathy for people on the right.  For comparison sake, the baker who refused to provide a custom cake for a gay couple didn't refuse service entirely. They were allowed to buy other things, just not a custom gay wedding cake. That baker is considered a bigot but in comparison was actually classy.



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Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/time-magazine-stands-by-cover-after-photo-correction-captures-stakes-of-this-moment/

Well yes and no.  

How can a picture lie.  Would it be any different if they just posted a headline that says Trump administration mandates taking children away from their parents.  What if they just found a photo of the crying children within the containment camps and photograph them, oh I forgot, they cannot get access because they will not let them.  The photo is used to illustrate what the article is talking about.  Really, its not like this is new to any publication and has been used throughout history.  Now, if you can refute what the text within the article says, that's a whole different issue.  Trying to saying the photo is lying without actually reading the article is straw man politics.  Is the article wrong based on its portrayal of the facts concerning the issue.

You can edit a pic. 😹

The article itself can lie about the situation surrounding the pic and people can falsely associate it something with that's false or something it doesn't have anything to do with it.

Yeah, you can edit a pic.  Isn't that exactly what was done with this pic.  It put a crying child in a picture of Trump standing over that child looking down without a care.  The image is exactly the portray the mag wanted to present.  Now, the question is the story that goes with it.  Does it present facts, does it support it position with credible sources, is it an opinion piece supported by the mag or is it an actual researched article.  These are all the things as a reader, you should be doing for anything you read no matter where it comes from.  You either read the article and can dispute what it says or you basically just looking for something to dismiss the article so you do not have to make a decision on the contents.



Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

You can edit a pic. 😹

The article itself can lie about the situation surrounding the pic and people can falsely associate it something with that's false or something it doesn't have anything to do with it.

Yeah, you can edit a pic.  Isn't that exactly what was done with this pic.  It put a crying child in a picture of Trump standing over that child looking down without a care.  The image is exactly the portray the mag wanted to present.  Now, the question is the story that goes with it.  Does it present facts, does it support it position with credible sources, is it an opinion piece supported by the mag or is it an actual researched article.  These are all the things as a reader, you should be doing for anything you read no matter where it comes from.  You either read the article and can dispute what it says or you basically just looking for something to dismiss the article so you do not have to make a decision on the contents.

If the average reader of these magazines could do that then these publications would have flopped a long time ago. They survive on stupid.



Mr Puggsly said:

 

Democrats keep pushing for expenses and expect all of us to cover it. People have the illusion it will just be felt by the rich and that's not reality. Republicans entertain the idea of cutting the budget, but the democrats treat any potential cut as the end of the world. Frankly, we couldn't get taxed enough to cover how out of control spending has gotten. The $20+ trillion debt didn't happen from tax cuts, its the increased spending. The only options are reduce spending OR slow spending so the economy can catch up.

Republicans/right leaning people getting chastised in public primarily for having opposing views has become common place. Its also become common for right leaning speakers to have their events shut down due to the intolerant left. Even personally I've had left leaning friends/acquaintances became hostile simply because my views differ.

Its not just about refusing service, dems are using it at as means of grandstanding. It accomplished nothing, the manager had to step down and it created sympathy for people on the right.  For comparison sake, the baker who refused to provide a custom cake for a gay couple didn't refuse service entirely. They were allowed to buy other things, just not a custom gay wedding cake. That baker is considered a bigot but in comparison was actually classy.

So are you totally forgetting that when every republican president has come into office the deficit has tripled under their control.  This notion that Republicans are concerned about the deficit is only when a Democrat is in office, when a Republican becomes president, they totally forget about the deficit spend more money then the Dems and have even lesser means to pay it.  I am neither Dem or Republican as I see both parties as seeking their own interest.  What I find funny is how people put blinders on for their own party because they believe they care when really they only care about staying in power.

As to the Red Hen issue, I noticed how you seem to totally ignore the response.  Good clean protest is one thing, death threats, throwing poop, eggs and other vandalism is garbage but it appears as long as you can ignore those parts you can concentrate on one person not want one official in their restaurant.  You talk about hostile left and totally forget the actions of the right.  The thing is, no matter what party you recognize yourself to belong to, human nature is human nature.  Trying to say people on the left are more a holes than right just means you only look at the actions of one side and ignore what happens on the right.