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I am always amicable to providing proof.

Microsoft lost almost half of its console manufacturing capacity in November of last year. While they did not make up the production short fall until March of this year. Replacing manufacturer Wistron with Asustek, Pegatron, and Unihan. Which should produce half a million consoles monthly. Given time for tooling the plants the new manufacturers shouldn't come into play for over a month. Which means the problem may be resolved but not in time for Microsoft to use its increased production capacity.

The loss of half their manufacturing capacity is what directly lead to this years shortages. That and better then expected holiday performance. Basically Microsoft was making less consoles then they previously had, but they were also selling more of them then they had the previous year. The result was that their surplus was depleted. Completely so in North America for at least one model.

The new manufacturers are supposed to contribute half a million consoles monthly to Microsoft's production. Were they to be making up Wistron's share of capacity that would put production at 1.25 million units per month. So even pushing it for all they are worth Microsoft might reach 1.5 million units, and they have no surplus in the warehouses. They exhausted that earlier this year, and there is a legitimate question as to whether the new manufacturers can reach their goal before the game is released, and whether the sales before the release will significantly reduce available supply.

Microsoft has nowhere near the supply they need to exploit the games release. They may have a million extra consoles to work with at most across all of their markets. Like I said in my previous post ideally they need between three and four million to do the job proper. They are just not going to have that. Four or five months from now yes they will. They can begin to rebuild their back supply, but right now they just don't have one. There is no magic that can make that happen over night or in less then a month.

Relevant links.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34849/118/

http://www.i4u.com/article15558.html



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Etech7 said:
MS does not understand advertiseing. They are a bunch of computer nerds from the 80s. They barly get marketing. They prefer cheapest ways of doing business. Thats why they have a low share of internet adds. Don't worry. Ms is into everything now to helping FOrd to the zune to taking on the whole world of business to save the emerican economy. Sumbody ask bill to donate a billion to people lossing there houses.

I was thinking the same thing back before Halo 3 was released! I was like "how come we don't see any commercials or here anything about one of their biggest games of the year!?"

/sarcasm 



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gebx said:

Ars Technica is a great website for informed gamers,


 lol best joke i heard in a while.



Rock_on_2008 said:
PS3 version of GTA 4 will be the best version of the game and deserves to receive higher average scores than the 360 version of GTA 4. I am sick of 360 versions of the same game edging PS3 versions out by 1 to 2% every time.

Source, please. Have you even seen a PS3 build? Have you taken it for a spin? And what kind of install are we talking about?

Buried as inaccurate. 



If you think MS has failed at GTAIV, think again. It has succeeded twice in the same day. Go over to Joystiq.com. They ran a poll starting last week asking which version of GTAIV people would be more likely to buy. The 360 won by almost 20% in the poll. Reasons? DLC, Achievements, and more friends on Xbox Live.

OXM UK has also given the first review of GTAIV for 360 and it scored a perfect 10. UK game reviewers don't often give out those kind of scores, and I think that it may boost sales for the 360 in Europe even more.




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madskillz said:
Rock_on_2008 said:
PS3 version of GTA 4 will be the best version of the game and deserves to receive higher average scores than the 360 version of GTA 4. I am sick of 360 versions of the same game edging PS3 versions out by 1 to 2% every time.
Source, please. Have you even seen a PS3 build? Have you taken it for a spin? And what kind of install are we talking about?

Buried as inaccurate.
I think it's fairly obvious he was just making crap up.  Bullshit is more corrosive than lying because at least a liar recognizes what the truth is.

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50 million should be exclusive. like oblivion shivering isle add on another 10 hrs of gameplay! 50 million would be development costs is MS paid for it why would PS3 ever get it????? its not just different littles ad ons not for that kinda money
not that shivering Isles was exclusive but same type of game ad on.



Microsoft in one way or another can recoup a lot of the money but it will not be from the physical downloading of the content, It will be from two things...
1. Extra 360's sold as a result of that version of GTA.
a. This will depend on how much Microsoft tries to blow the DLC's significance out of proportion. So far they haven't done much.
b. This game appeals to many casuals and due to their ignorance, they will buy into the propaganda.
2. Extra games sold due to people they have swayed.

Everything depends upon how much Microsoft spends on advertisements. You would think a multibillion dollar company would be intuitive enough to advertise something they spent 50 million dollars on but apparently not. They are yet to do anything and until they do, the general public will think it's a PS3 exclusive.



Domicinator said:
If you think MS has failed at GTAIV, think again. It has succeeded twice in the same day. Go over to Joystiq.com. They ran a poll starting last week asking which version of GTAIV people would be more likely to buy. The 360 won by almost 20% in the poll. Reasons? DLC, Achievements, and more friends on Xbox Live.

OXM UK has also given the first review of GTAIV for 360 and it scored a perfect 10. UK game reviewers don't often give out those kind of scores, and I think that it may boost sales for the 360 in Europe even more.
So 20% more people are buying the 360 version vs. PS3 when 55% more people own the 360 console vs. PS3?  (And make that worse when considering the percentages among GTAIV-buying populations.)  What a victory for Microsoft. 

Don't jump on me, folks, I'll be the first to say that a Joystiq poll is not necessarily representative at all, but his "evidence" contradicts his conclusion. 

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Goddbless said:
Etech7 said:
MS does not understand advertiseing. They are a bunch of computer nerds from the 80s. They barly get marketing. They prefer cheapest ways of doing business. Thats why they have a low share of internet adds. Don't worry. Ms is into everything now to helping FOrd to the zune to taking on the whole world of business to save the emerican economy. Sumbody ask bill to donate a billion to people lossing there houses.

I was thinking the same thing back before Halo 3 was released! I was like "how come we don't see any commercials or here anything about one of their biggest games of the year!?"

/sarcasm


 to Etech7... a nerd that busted every single software company in the world, number one in OS sales... having their soft absolutely everywhere.... being one of the most profitable company in the world, and in the industry, I could go on... that my friend definitely proves how bad they are to sell their product. 

now that's just my first point...

the second is way more disappointing and full of ignorance..... do your homework... Bill Gates and his wife Melinda, created a foundation in which they invest million every year... and the foundation is giving away several billions of dollar a year to help on a lot of project in USA and around the globe... and is one of the biggest foundation in the world

 

so before spitting on people because you don't like them for some reason do your researh.... I don't like MS and bill for everything he's done, his methode etc.... but the sure knows how to do business and sure does give back to the community... 

 

here for your information http://www.gatesfoundation.org/MediaCenter/FactSheet/