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Would you say Smash Ultimate is...

A port 18 14.75%
 
A brand new game 74 60.66%
 
A compilation 23 18.85%
 
Something else 7 5.74%
 
Total:122
Hiku said:

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I've already articulated the point if you can't understand then it's not my problem simple as that you're constantly coming back with pointless waffle as well as a red herring, what hook exactly I don't answer to you and never will no matter how ruffled you get over one word

Your Marth part further highlights how mixed up you are here Ken plays Marth in Melee which has a whole different system to S4 and Ultimate, here's the general point on why your example are completely pointless and what best describes your initial comparison with Red Focus they give options but don't change the system in the game it's like adding a new gun in COD it doesn't change how you play the game your argument essentially has consisted of what this new gun could do and add it's an option but not a change to the whole system, changes Ultimate how ever would be equivalent to if COD was change to play like Rainbow 6, Team Fortress 2 or Quake the entire game and how you conduct your play in it has changed it's not hard to understand.

I'm not going to mince words either you've been debunk and you're ruffled over it even in the E3 thread you were arguing over smash, you can't even quote what you're arguing against in the right context because it already fully debunks what you keep recycling, an example of this is I highlight the difference in approach in S4 and Ultimate and your response was to cherry pick a line then bring up SxT with one of your debunked examples, difference here is I've not only follow the mentioned series but have played them as well competitively you on the other hand are just winging it from one viewpoint.

Fact is I'm not dragging this out you are by repeating what has already been explained I even gave an easy to understand statement on your comparison with the rush down comment.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 13 June 2018

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Are people still hang up on not accepting Smash 5 being a new game?*sigh*

Well, time will handle that.As Nintendo show the new modes, the new single player content with hopefully a sub-space emmissary equivalent, and the new characters, along with whatever new mechanics that havent been shown yet, people will finally be convinced.

Or when they get their hands on the game.This is also very effective.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

It's a new game with new mechanics and features, but it compiles everything that is great about smash



Nautilus said:
Are people still hang up on not accepting Smash 5 being a new game?*sigh*

Well, time will handle that.As Nintendo show the new modes, the new single player content with hopefully a sub-space emmissary equivalent, and the new characters, along with whatever new mechanics that havent been shown yet, people will finally be convinced.

Or when they get their hands on the game.This is also very effective.

They should have done that here, instead of wasting a ton of time literally going through every character. Show us a roster pic and we could have picked everyone out. Show the new game modes, show us the single player stuff. So far what they showed is a tweeked Smash 4. 

*edit* That said don't get me wrong, it looks like a lot of time and effort went in to making some improvements. I want to give credit where credit is due, but does it look like a new game? No. Does it look like Smash 4 with some tweeks to the game that improve it? Absolutely.

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bigtakilla said:
Nautilus said:
Are people still hang up on not accepting Smash 5 being a new game?*sigh*

Well, time will handle that.As Nintendo show the new modes, the new single player content with hopefully a sub-space emmissary equivalent, and the new characters, along with whatever new mechanics that havent been shown yet, people will finally be convinced.

Or when they get their hands on the game.This is also very effective.

They should have done that here, instead of wasting a ton of time literally going through every character. Show us a roster pic and we could have picked everyone out. Show the new game modes, show us the single player stuff. So far what they showed is a tweeked Smash 4.

They didnt because they probably want, as they said before, reveal stuff about the game betwenn now and december to promote the game.Much like it was with Smash 4.So stuff would be left out one way or the other.

And I think they went with the characters first because thats usually what people care about most with Smash.But if I had to harbor a guess, we will see new stuff at least one time per month.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Nautilus said:
bigtakilla said:

They should have done that here, instead of wasting a ton of time literally going through every character. Show us a roster pic and we could have picked everyone out. Show the new game modes, show us the single player stuff. So far what they showed is a tweeked Smash 4.

They didnt because they probably want, as they said before, reveal stuff about the game betwenn now and december to promote the game.Much like it was with Smash 4.So stuff would be left out one way or the other.

And I think they went with the characters first because thats usually what people care about most with Smash.But if I had to harbor a guess, we will see new stuff at least one time per month.

I can agree with that, it happened with Smash 4. As for the foundation of the game, doesn't get better than Smash 4, so no complaints there. Just saying what they focused on at E3 left a little to be desired.



bigtakilla said:
Nautilus said:

They didnt because they probably want, as they said before, reveal stuff about the game betwenn now and december to promote the game.Much like it was with Smash 4.So stuff would be left out one way or the other.

And I think they went with the characters first because thats usually what people care about most with Smash.But if I had to harbor a guess, we will see new stuff at least one time per month.

I can agree with that, it happened with Smash 4. As for the foundation of the game, doesn't get better than Smash 4, so no complaints there. Just saying what they focused on at E3 left a little to be desired.

Fair enough.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

it's just another enhanced WiiU port, or WiiU remaster if you prefer, it is obvious by just looking at the game that it is not built from the ground up...

Nintendo really knows how to make money, and how to repel fans and supporters, should be a fact by now



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

dark_gh0st_b0y said:
it's just another enhanced WiiU port, or WiiU remaster if you prefer, it is obvious by just looking at the game that it is not built from the ground up...

Nintendo really knows how to make money, and how to repel fans and supporters, should be a fact by now
That's not good reasoning as most games aren't built from the ground up. The proper tell is how much new content n features there are. Also how does Nintendo make money while repelling fans/supporters? That seems contradictory. You're very mistaken if you think ports repel people.

Lonely_Dolphin said:
Shiken said:
It seems like just as much a new game as any other Smash game. Those who call it a port simply want to believe it is for one reason or another. Some are just skeptical due to the vast amount of WiiU ports we have already received this year.
Why would I want it to be a port? I'd love to know this. Keep in mind I was on team new game prior to the reveal.

What difference does it make if this game is a port or not? Might as well go into a topic and argue that the switch is a handheld or a home console. Does it matter?

As for why it's a new game, these are my reasons. New fighting mechanics, new characters to the series and from earlier games returning, improved graphics, subtitled game, Nintendo and Sakurai say its a new game, it's on a new system, every other port they have released they have made it clear its a port.

Seriously the only argument people have that it is a port is that it looks similar to the last game. Returning characters or stages is not indicative of a port when talking about fighter games.