By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - US Supreme Court: Christian baker does not have to bake 'the gay cake'

Aeolus451 said:

But they're trying to force him bake cakes or not at all. The bible does mention homosexuality so it falls under religious belief. 

I live in a secular nation... And I am also an Atheist.
Thus I firmly believe the law and equal treatment of all comes before Religion.

Freedom of Religion also implies Freedom FROM Religion, if you contract someone to do a job, you damn well expect them to do it without any fuss or bullshit, having someone whinge and croak about their religion is ultimately irrelevant, they should keep it to themselves rather than push their religious agenda onto others.

For instance if I am contracted to do a job, I damn well do it. - I don't bring any personal opinions or perspectives or prejudices or bigotry, just do the damn job and move on like any normal Adult would.
Instead they did the complete opposite and made a giant production of it all, playing the victim.




www.youtube.com/@Pemalite

Around the Network
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

But they're trying to force him bake cakes or not at all. The bible does mention homosexuality so it falls under religious belief. 

I live in a secular nation... And I am also an Atheist.
Thus I firmly believe the law and equal treatment of all comes before Religion.

Freedom of Religion also implies Freedom FROM Religion, if you contract someone to do a job, you damn well expect them to do it without any fuss or bullshit, having someone whinge and croak about their religion is ultimately irrelevant, they should keep it to themselves rather than push their religious agenda onto others.

For instance if I am contracted to do a job, I damn well do it. - I don't bring any personal opinions or perspectives or prejudices or bigotry, just do the damn job and move on like any normal Adult would.
Instead they did the complete opposite and made a giant production of it all, playing the victim.

That's his actual business and he's not in a service to anyone or obligated to make custom wedding cakes for a wedding he doesn't agree with based on his religion. If anyone is playing the victim as you put it, are the couple. They could have got a custom cake from somewhere else or just non custom cake from him but no they took this shit to court to force him thru law to do it. They look like bullies to me.



Aeolus451 said:

If anyone is playing the victim as you put it, are the couple.

Disagree. The cake maker is the one with the issue, not the same sex couple.

Aeolus451 said:

That's his actual business and he's not in a service to anyone or obligated to make custom wedding cakes for a wedding he doesn't agree with based on his religion.

He can keep his religion entirely to himself.
Cake is also not a religious construct and thus isn't basis for denying anything.

Remember, same-sex marriage is a law in the USA. A civil construct. Law comes before any religion or ideology.

Aeolus451 said:

They could have got a custom cake from somewhere else or just non custom cake from him but no they took this shit to court to force him thru law to do it.

They shouldn't have to.

And the court EXISTS to deal with matters such as these, so of course they are legally entitled to take them through the ringer if they feel they have been mistreated.




www.youtube.com/@Pemalite

Lol seriously? Who does that? They just need to add 2 guys on the cake.......



Pocky Lover Boy! 

1) Ruleing was probably for the best.
2) What a shallow bugger, that he cant even bake a cake because hes so homophobe.



Around the Network

Seems pretty silly to me, but that aside….

If you're a gay couple (hell...any couple), looking for a wedding cake, do you really want to force some guy who really doesn't want to make it to do so? Even if he were forced to, that person probably isn't going to do a very good job. He might even do a poor job on purpose. Best to find someone who actually wants your business.



Angelus said:
Seems pretty silly to me, but that aside….

If you're a gay couple (hell...any couple), looking for a wedding cake, do you really want to force some guy who really doesn't want to make it to do so? Even if he were forced to, that person probably isn't going to do a very good job. He might even do a poor job on purpose. Best to find someone who actually wants your business.

The other issue is that... There is typically no physical defining characteristic in determining whether someone is religious.
The gay couple could have assumed the cake shop was like any other.




www.youtube.com/@Pemalite

Pemalite said:
Angelus said:
Seems pretty silly to me, but that aside….

If you're a gay couple (hell...any couple), looking for a wedding cake, do you really want to force some guy who really doesn't want to make it to do so? Even if he were forced to, that person probably isn't going to do a very good job. He might even do a poor job on purpose. Best to find someone who actually wants your business.

The other issue is that... There is typically no physical defining characteristic in determining whether someone is religious.
The gay couple could have assumed the cake shop was like any other.

Oh sure, I get that. And it would definitely suck to walk in a place and get turned away like that. I'm just saying, once you go through that….can't imagine you'd really want to find some way to force that place to still make your cake anyway. You want someone who actually cares about your big day going off without a hitch.



Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

If anyone is playing the victim as you put it, are the couple.

Disagree. The cake maker is the one with the issue, not the same sex couple.

Aeolus451 said:

That's his actual business and he's not in a service to anyone or obligated to make custom wedding cakes for a wedding he doesn't agree with based on his religion.

He can keep his religion entirely to himself.
Cake is also not a religious construct and thus isn't basis for denying anything.

Remember, same-sex marriage is a law in the USA. A civil construct. Law comes before any religion or ideology.

Aeolus451 said:

They could have got a custom cake from somewhere else or just non custom cake from him but no they took this shit to court to force him thru law to do it.

They shouldn't have to.

And the court EXISTS to deal with matters such as these, so of course they are legally entitled to take them through the ringer if they feel they have been mistreated.

He is keeping his religion to himself, in his business and with his cakes. Religion is protected by the constitution and they can get a cake elsewhere. They're not getting  married at his store. There's no justification to force a man to make a cake when he doesn't want to. Sorry, we don't live in a totalitarian society.



Angelus said:
Pemalite said:

The other issue is that... There is typically no physical defining characteristic in determining whether someone is religious.
The gay couple could have assumed the cake shop was like any other.

Oh sure, I get that. And it would definitely suck to walk in a place and get turned away like that. I'm just saying, once you go through that….can't imagine you'd really want to find some way to force that place to still make your cake anyway. You want someone who actually cares about your big day going off without a hitch.

They didn't attempt to force him to bake the cake. They went to a different baker, but they sent a complaint to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. They didn't drag him to court to force him to bake the cake for them, they sent a complaint, and the Colorado Civil Rights Commission made ruling against the baker, which the SCOTUS now ruled that the Civil Rights Commission was biased thus the ruling was overturned.

Aeolus451 said:
Pemalite said:

I live in a secular nation... And I am also an Atheist.
Thus I firmly believe the law and equal treatment of all comes before Religion.

Freedom of Religion also implies Freedom FROM Religion, if you contract someone to do a job, you damn well expect them to do it without any fuss or bullshit, having someone whinge and croak about their religion is ultimately irrelevant, they should keep it to themselves rather than push their religious agenda onto others.

For instance if I am contracted to do a job, I damn well do it. - I don't bring any personal opinions or perspectives or prejudices or bigotry, just do the damn job and move on like any normal Adult would.
Instead they did the complete opposite and made a giant production of it all, playing the victim.

That's his actual business and he's not in a service to anyone or obligated to make custom wedding cakes for a wedding he doesn't agree with based on his religion. If anyone is playing the victim as you put it, are the couple. They could have got a custom cake from somewhere else or just non custom cake from him but no they took this shit to court to force him thru law to do it. They look like bullies to me.

He refused to bake non-custom wedding cakes as well - both cakes he had baked for previous customers, as well as a non-descript cake. So it didn't have anything to do with them asking for a custom cake - he refused baking any wedding cake for a gay wedding.