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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 20): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - May 14-20, 2018

NoCtiS_NoX on 23 May 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Labo holding pretty well, but everything's quite meh this week

@NoCtis: You don't have that box with the sales compared to last week and last year anymore?

I am just a bit busy. Sorry. 
I am also trying to learn excel so I hope making the tables will be a lot faster and easier. 

Mnementh said:
outlawauron said:

Is this just a thing you're doing to get at Kerotan or is this real? God of War has sold very well. It's surpassing expectations. How is the budget of the game relevant when it's doing better than everyone has expected in every region. As far as MonHun, it's keeping well digitally so it's not like it's falling off the map completely.

Very well and surpassing expectations is very subjective. It does slightly better than GoW III, something that could've been reasonably expected. So it does fine, without a question. But I just think the extensive praise is misplaced, as it is a mid-level IP for Japan. Sure, nothing new, but I don't see the same praise for baseball, which actually did better. This is not to diminish GoW, it is just not an IP doing very well in japan.

EDIT: And he said it will have decent legs. This is difficult too parse, as again decent is very open to interpretation, but even now some weeks old it is outlegged by multiple 2017 titles.

Frigging Snack World outlegs it and has actually barely lower overall sales. So doing 'very well' is only appliable if you start with very low expectations. And that bothers me, because on the other hand titles that sell ten times as much are talked down, because of even higher expectations. Can we keep it all in relation?

And budget actually is an expression of expected sales on the side of the developer/publisher (in most cases). So big budget means big expectations.

FYI GOW started slow and GOW had a great 2nd week. It's actually having a decent legs and not great legs so Kerotan is actually correct. 
1st week 46K
2nd week 29K
3rd week 16.4K
4th week  6K
5th week 3K

Now give me Japanese  PS4 games that sold 40K and had the legs of GOW? I doubt you will find that many.
That's just retail and we might get an info. about DD this week from Famitsu.

Also, the budget is irrelevant because if you expect it to sell like 250K and expect it to have legs like the ever green titles something is mess up with your expectation.
And the fact we all know that GOW is not targeted for Japanese people. 

So I am not really getting your point.



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Keybladewielder on 23 May 2018

DK showing good legs

God of War passes 100k.

Hardware is dead with the exception of Switch which is semi-alive.



Kerotan on 23 May 2018
TruckOSaurus said:
Kerotan said:

I mean a regular weekly bundle like what gow3 got  This was a small amount of limited pros and even then you pay extra for the bundle then you normally would so its the game selling the bundle rather than the game just thrown in forextras sales.

 

God of war is blowing past entries out of the water especially the previous one ascension. Nobody predicted these sales around here. 

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I have to admit that after the glowing reviews came pouring in and knowing the game is very different from the previous ones, I honestly thought there was a chance for God of War to explode in Japan like selling 2-3 times what God of War 3 did. Sadly, it did not happen.

It was never going to just explode. It was always going to depend on word of mouth. It will do 250k including digital I would guess. Maybe more. So God of war 2 could end up opening at 100k+ Or maybe even higher. That's usually how these work. 

Jranation said:
Kerotan said:

God of war is literally best case scenario in Japan. It will have decent legs too. 

I was talking about how the hardware sales. You were saying the PS4 still have stock issues. But what train wreck said is that 1month Japan PS4 = 1 Week US PS4. 

 

Soooo it feels like Sony doesn't care about Japan. 

We've goneover this before.Only 1country on the planet has more ps4 sold then Japan. That's the UK. Obviously Sony care about Japan.



Nautilus on 23 May 2018

Nothing really exceptional this week, to be honest.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

outlawauron on 23 May 2018
Mnementh said:
outlawauron said:

Is this just a thing you're doing to get at Kerotan or is this real? God of War has sold very well. It's surpassing expectations. How is the budget of the game relevant when it's doing better than everyone has expected in every region. As far as MonHun, it's keeping well digitally so it's not like it's falling off the map completely.

Very well and surpassing expectations is very subjective. It does slightly better than GoW III, something that could've been reasonably expected. So it does fine, without a question. But I just think the extensive praise is misplaced, as it is a mid-level IP for Japan. Sure, nothing new, but I don't see the same praise for baseball, which actually did better. This is not to diminish GoW, it is just not an IP doing very well in japan.

EDIT: And he said it will have decent legs. This is difficult too parse, as again decent is very open to interpretation, but even now some weeks old it is outlegged by multiple 2017 titles.

Frigging Snack World outlegs it and has actually barely lower overall sales. So doing 'very well' is only appliable if you start with very low expectations. And that bothers me, because on the other hand titles that sell ten times as much are talked down, because of even higher expectations. Can we keep it all in relation?

And budget actually is an expression of expected sales on the side of the developer/publisher (in most cases). So big budget means big expectations.

We judge things based on its expectations. You can say something is doing very well without it selling huge numbers. It's all relevant to the series, platform, region, etc. I don't see how you can talk about relation while completely ignoring all factors of relation to this game. Just pretty weird for someone whose as active as you are. Budget is an important consideration when talking about recouping the costs of development, but has nothing to do with a game outperforming every previous game in its series and all previously laid expectations in a market where it was not expected anything of at all. Considering that GOW has made back its budget and more, I don't see why the budget talk is relevant at all.



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Jranation on 24 May 2018
Kerotan said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I have to admit that after the glowing reviews came pouring in and knowing the game is very different from the previous ones, I honestly thought there was a chance for God of War to explode in Japan like selling 2-3 times what God of War 3 did. Sadly, it did not happen.

It was never going to just explode. It was always going to depend on word of mouth. It will do 250k including digital I would guess. Maybe more. So God of war 2 could end up opening at 100k+ Or maybe even higher. That's usually how these work. 

Jranation said:

I was talking about how the hardware sales. You were saying the PS4 still have stock issues. But what train wreck said is that 1month Japan PS4 = 1 Week US PS4. 

 

Soooo it feels like Sony doesn't care about Japan. 

We've goneover this before.Only 1country on the planet has more ps4 sold then Japan. That's the UK. Obviously Sony care about Japan.

But why is PS4 having these massive stock issues?



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Kerotan on 24 May 2018
Jranation said:
Kerotan said:

It was never going to just explode. It was always going to depend on word of mouth. It will do 250k including digital I would guess. Maybe more. So God of war 2 could end up opening at 100k+ Or maybe even higher. That's usually how these work. 

We've goneover this before.Only 1country on the planet has more ps4 sold then Japan. That's the UK. Obviously Sony care about Japan.

But why is PS4 having these massive stock issues?

It's no longer having massive stock issues. That was when it was selling 5k a week. Now the stock issues are preventing it from hitting say 20k. That would be my guess. 

 

The system is long over due a price cut in Japan so the sales make sense. I think Sony guessed ps4 would sell decent without a cut because of mhw so they held off. But it badly needs a cut this November at the latest. 



Megiddo on 24 May 2018

Yeah, I think 14-18k is pretty much where PS4 will sit barring any big releases (next week's MC should show a bump for Dark Souls/Persona/Detroit) until it gets a price cut.



Train wreck on 24 May 2018
Jranation said:
Train wreck said:
After the fantastic NPD numbers for last month, its depressing to see the numbers for Japan. The PS4 selling in a month in Japan what it sells in a week in the US.

God of War didnt explode in Japan. While if the PS4 still have stock issues.... Sounds like Sony is neglecting Japan......

Neglecting Japan would mean not releasing games like God of War at all.  When its all said and done, it'll be the highest selling in the franchise there (and that goes for many Western games released in Japan).  While consoles sales are subpar, they are many factors.  The PS4 entered its downward trajectory in terms of sales, its too expensive, the Japanese moving away from traditional home consoles, you name it.



Jranation on 24 May 2018
Kerotan said:
Jranation said:

But why is PS4 having these massive stock issues?

It's no longer having massive stock issues. That was when it was selling 5k a week. Now the stock issues are preventing it from hitting say 20k. That would be my guess. 

 

The system is long over due a price cut in Japan so the sales make sense. I think Sony guessed ps4 would sell decent without a cut because of mhw so they held off. But it badly needs a cut this November at the latest. 

Oh thats great then. I thought it was still having those issues. 



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