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VGPolyglot said:
Kaneman! said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that depicting a resistance fighter, not a soldier?

Besides, if I remember correctly, there was also a female french resistance fighter in CoD 3, and I don't remember any outrage about that.

Off-topic: That cover picture, though. It makes no sense - shame that Yahtzee doesn't do Judging by the cover anymore, that one would be great for a retro episode.

Why does it matter whether it's a resistance fighter or a soldier? And CoD3 having them is just more evidence that this is not a recent phenomenon.

Because France was an occupied country where young males were death/placed in overseas military department or working in a labour camp for the third reich, the french resistance had a big portion of females that's also why if you write french resistance on google you get many WWII resistance pictures of women.  Btw she is also based on a real person helene deschamps who is one of the most well known resistance fighters who also was a spy.  Around the game release she also receive and US Army service medal.  If anything she was probably one if not the toughest resistance fighters.






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the-pi-guy said:
irstupid said:

I never get the whole argument of needed ot say that everyone is equal, the same, ect. Men are better at certain things than women, and vice versa. There can be exceptions at times, but with most statistics, one should ignore outliers.

But reading the last few posts made me think of a video I saw on Youtube the other day. It was about some angry dude and angry woman arguing on like CNN or Fox about pay discrepancy between men and women in a field. The guy talked about how women want to be moms and thus make less money or something. Basically he was trying to say it wasn't sexists that females make less money than male do in the workforce.

They got heated in the end and he started sounded stupid and lost all credibility, but his thesis is not wrong imo. Women are the cause of their own less pay for the following reasons below, imo.

1. They were raised to be less competitive/assertive, thus when review times come Men ask for larger raises. If two people both get raises they asked for, should be shaming the person who asked for a larger raise? 

2. Pregnancy. Say two equal people apply and interview and its a toss up. Both are in their mid to alter 20's. One is a male and one female. Business wise it makes more financial sense to hire male. Chances are the female will be starting to have kids soon. Thus you will be missing her for a couple months every couple years or so. Also chance she may decide to become stay at home mom. You have a more stable employee in a male. Same for review time. Come year end review and raises, who do you think will get a larger raise, a person who worked all 12 months, or someone who worked only 10 months.

3. Career advancement. MIxes 1&2 together. With a less competitive drive, women may become more content at their station and not pursue promotions as frequently as men, or with their new family want the familiarity of doing the same job every day and not having the added stress of pursuing promotions or taking on extra work.

Those reasons above are imo why women on AVERAGE earn less than men. Not that they can't earn as much, but that on AVERAGE most women don't pursue money as hard as men do.

One thing I hated was TV show I was watching where a guy retired and a lady was promoted to his job. The lady found out how much the guy made when he retired and she was all pissed and feminists about it saying how it shows sexism. It's like WTF, no it does not. When you start a job or get a promotion, you start at the bottom of that jobs pay grade. You don't get paid what the person who was there before you got paid. They were in that position for years, they have years of experience in that job, had multiple raises, ect. To expect to start where they ended is asinine.


2.)  I shared a YouTube video a few pages ago that talks about the pregnancy.  Jobs that offer more freedom for hours so that women have more flexibility to continue being mother's and able to continue working have nearly no wage gap.  

https://youtu.be/13XU4fMlN3w

You may say that this issue is a pretty natural part of society for cultural and biological reasons, and I agree with that.  But I still think it's an issue that can and should be fixed.  Doing that would increase potential work force, and allow women to continue doing what they want.  

 

The YouTube video suggests that the point you made in 2 is far and away the biggest driver of the wage gap.  

 

I do not want to force women into jobs they don't want to do, just to achieve equality.  

What I do want is for women to understand that they can take a job that they want. That they shouldn't feel uncomfortable just because something is considered a "man's job".  

I have personally talked to several women who wanted to join computer science, but weren't sure it'd be okay because computer science is a "man's field".  

It's easy to say that women just aren't interested, but I have personal experience that shows that even when they are, they feel too uncomfortable to try joining.  

I'm not sure if the computer science being seen as a "Man's Job" is so much a thing anymore.

Look at this situation. A male nurse and female computer programmer.

I would say the male nurse has a good working environment, yet outside of work gets ripped on for being in a 'woman's field'

The female I could see as being in a more hostile work environment, yet praised outside of work. (By hostile work environment I mean such as being the 1 women in an office of 10 men being unconsciously leered at, hearing sexual jokes not aimed at her, ect.) Nothing may be intentional, but hostile non the less.

I would say something like "construction" is a job that would be more labeled "Man's Field" than computer sciences.



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

Most of that is basically polls done on how women "feel" about stem 

Because real science is giving monkeys toys and extrapolating how they play with it to adult humans.  Right, forgot about that.  

There is also only 1 poll.  There are 2 studies which don't ask about how women feel.

And that 1 historical article.

I gave a link earlier with multiple sources, statistics and a break down of the info and the monkey study. You provided polls of women's feelings about stem, a historical article with no source and studies that seem more like polls.... We're debating nature vs nurture not feelings.



The first software developer was Ada Lovelace -> a woman.

My boss is a structural engineer woman. I had good bosses guys and good bosses women and bad bosses women and bad bosses man.

There are guys I know that would not work for a woman. I don't give a shit. They are equal for me in terms of jobs capabilities and accountability.

 lI could not care less of a crap if women are all around in media.

Is different at minimum. Difference stimulates creativity.

Move on with your life.

Don't be afraid and complaining of losing you masculine identity all the time and crying about women taking on the media movies game whatever you play on your ass seated down.

That is not manly. That is childish.



It’s kind of weird o be ranting against film trends in the late 70s through 1980s in 2018.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

studies that seem more like polls....

The first article discusses a study where they showed that a woman leading the testing led to a higher rate of questions answered.  These weren't opinion questions, they were asked math questions.  

The second article is actually this one.

http://www.subjectpool.com/ed_teach/y4general_paper/2009/fulltext-1.pdf

Where they looked at gpa before and after.  

Neither of these are polls.

The point here is that giving women role models (Which is in the group of nurture, not nature), makes them perform better and it makes them more comfort to do these subjects.

Aeolus451 said:

I gave a link earlier with multiple sources, statistics and a break down of the info and the monkey study. You provided polls of women's feelings about stem

The issue I have with this is that you seem to think monkeys are a better indicator of women having specific job preferences than actually asking the women themselves.  

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 With the second one, they would have to ask people questions about themselves to figure out if they "under psychological threat", a "negatively stereotyped" person, etc. School tests are based on performance and can't be biased. If a person doesn't try as hard because of their own self doubt, that's on them. With any field that's competitive, there's gonna be alot of pressure and some people just don't do well in that environment. 

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

Aeolus451 said:

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

The majority of women don't want x otherwise they'd be doing it. There's no boundaries for them to get any career they want. Even if we made everything as suited as much to women in schooling/training, they'd still prefer certain careers over others. I don't care if there's "not enough" women in certain careers because it's due to natural occurring preferences and not some conspiracy theory plot by men to stop women from having any good jobs. It's not the job of any government to get so involved in people's lives that they're interested in socially engineering people to correct them. If women want to work in certain fields, let 'em.



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

Aeolus451 said:

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.



GOWTLOZ said:
the-pi-guy said:

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.

But why is that the case? We can't just say it's the case and leave it at that, we have to figure out if it's biologically-related or socially-related.



VGPolyglot said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.

But why is that the case? We can't just say it's the case and leave it at that, we have to figure out if it's biologically-related or socially-related.

Anecdotal but it may have to do with both. Men have to be successful financially to get a partner so they are inclined towards entrepreneurship to get success, fame and women. Women aren't expected to do such things and they don't need to be successful in their career to get a partner. Men are expected to be funny while looking good to attract a mate so they develop their sense of humour. Women are expected to be motherly and don't need to be logical so they see little gains from going into the sciences. It is socially structured as a result of biology and nature itself suggests so.

A study showed that women have IQ's close to a 100 with little deviation towards the high and low end while men's IQ is spread across the spectrum. This is why most business people and astrophysicists are men while most people in mental asylums are men as well. It makes sense, men are throwaway by nature as 1 man can impregnate many women for the growth of the populace but every woman is needed to give birth to children so nature is experimental with men.