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irstupid on 29 May 2018
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the-pi-guy said:
irstupid said:

I never get the whole argument of needed ot say that everyone is equal, the same, ect. Men are better at certain things than women, and vice versa. There can be exceptions at times, but with most statistics, one should ignore outliers.

But reading the last few posts made me think of a video I saw on Youtube the other day. It was about some angry dude and angry woman arguing on like CNN or Fox about pay discrepancy between men and women in a field. The guy talked about how women want to be moms and thus make less money or something. Basically he was trying to say it wasn't sexists that females make less money than male do in the workforce.

They got heated in the end and he started sounded stupid and lost all credibility, but his thesis is not wrong imo. Women are the cause of their own less pay for the following reasons below, imo.

1. They were raised to be less competitive/assertive, thus when review times come Men ask for larger raises. If two people both get raises they asked for, should be shaming the person who asked for a larger raise? 

2. Pregnancy. Say two equal people apply and interview and its a toss up. Both are in their mid to alter 20's. One is a male and one female. Business wise it makes more financial sense to hire male. Chances are the female will be starting to have kids soon. Thus you will be missing her for a couple months every couple years or so. Also chance she may decide to become stay at home mom. You have a more stable employee in a male. Same for review time. Come year end review and raises, who do you think will get a larger raise, a person who worked all 12 months, or someone who worked only 10 months.

3. Career advancement. MIxes 1&2 together. With a less competitive drive, women may become more content at their station and not pursue promotions as frequently as men, or with their new family want the familiarity of doing the same job every day and not having the added stress of pursuing promotions or taking on extra work.

Those reasons above are imo why women on AVERAGE earn less than men. Not that they can't earn as much, but that on AVERAGE most women don't pursue money as hard as men do.

One thing I hated was TV show I was watching where a guy retired and a lady was promoted to his job. The lady found out how much the guy made when he retired and she was all pissed and feminists about it saying how it shows sexism. It's like WTF, no it does not. When you start a job or get a promotion, you start at the bottom of that jobs pay grade. You don't get paid what the person who was there before you got paid. They were in that position for years, they have years of experience in that job, had multiple raises, ect. To expect to start where they ended is asinine.


2.)  I shared a YouTube video a few pages ago that talks about the pregnancy.  Jobs that offer more freedom for hours so that women have more flexibility to continue being mother's and able to continue working have nearly no wage gap.  

https://youtu.be/13XU4fMlN3w

You may say that this issue is a pretty natural part of society for cultural and biological reasons, and I agree with that.  But I still think it's an issue that can and should be fixed.  Doing that would increase potential work force, and allow women to continue doing what they want.  

 

The YouTube video suggests that the point you made in 2 is far and away the biggest driver of the wage gap.  

 

I do not want to force women into jobs they don't want to do, just to achieve equality.  

What I do want is for women to understand that they can take a job that they want. That they shouldn't feel uncomfortable just because something is considered a "man's job".  

I have personally talked to several women who wanted to join computer science, but weren't sure it'd be okay because computer science is a "man's field".  

It's easy to say that women just aren't interested, but I have personal experience that shows that even when they are, they feel too uncomfortable to try joining.  

I'm not sure if the computer science being seen as a "Man's Job" is so much a thing anymore.

Look at this situation. A male nurse and female computer programmer.

I would say the male nurse has a good working environment, yet outside of work gets ripped on for being in a 'woman's field'

The female I could see as being in a more hostile work environment, yet praised outside of work. (By hostile work environment I mean such as being the 1 women in an office of 10 men being unconsciously leered at, hearing sexual jokes not aimed at her, ect.) Nothing may be intentional, but hostile non the less.

I would say something like "construction" is a job that would be more labeled "Man's Field" than computer sciences.