If you live in the United States and refuse to believe that an elite few can and do determine the hardships of the majority you really need to open your eyes to what's going on. These billionaire elites line the pockets of politicians that create the laws which establish this great divide! 

You actually believe in all those things? Or you just trolling me?

None of these actually exist and are easily debunked.

So, all the make believe stuff.  Got it.

It would be more beneficial to us all if you guys took other peoples concerns more seriously.

The gender gap, for example, is true (at least here in Germany). Arguments like it "disregards differences in negotiation tactics and job choices", while true, become null and void when you notice that they are solely refuting irrelevant statistics anyway. The "myth" pay gap statistics you're talking about compare the total gross income of men and women and are different from the actual worthwhile statistics which look at individual women who work the same job in the same position and the same hours as men. Basically, statistics which factor in the elements that the others ignore give the same results, but they aren't quite as shocking or impactful than the others. 

 claim: women are paid ~21% less than men. actuality: women are paid 6% less than men. Numbers are based on Germany. I also have sources on that if anyone's interested, but they are in German. Nevertheless, it's not a myth.

Also, I'm willing to wager that you're well aware of toxic masculinity. Ever been with a group of men who talk about women? Or have you never been bothered by some men who unnecessarily make a competition out of everything to try and find something where they can show superiority or dominance for no good reason? Just an example, but whenever I play an online game, too often there's that one guy who talks about raping their opponents or their mothers or whatever. I'm not claiming this to be true for all men or that there aren't any women who are like this, just that saying that it doesn't exist at all is silly.

Even if not all of those things are as true or dire as people claim them to be, you shouldn't completely discard these peoples opinions.

Some text interpretation would do you wonders. He is saying it doesn't make any sense to equal the regular white man to the elite that are in power, because the fact that some white man hold power doesn't mean that "white man" have power as in the person you are attacking.

@thread... and we keep getting example after example of left wing attacking regular folks even on the thread... but they will ever refuse that they are part of the problem of antagonizing and pushing away those people from accepting their ideals.

After reading through a good chunk of this thread I simply do not understand how and why a large amount of straight white christian men legitimately believe that they face demonization and prejudice on a level that is comparable to blacks or Muslims or gays or any number of historically discriminated against groups. In some ways it almost feels insulting for people to compare an this idea of discrimination against white men to issues this nation continues to face today such as systemic racism against blacks and Hispanics within policing and the legal system, government surveillance of Muslim/Arab communities, high rates of bullying and depression among gays and lesbians ect. We have a president that equates Mexican immigrants to murders and rapists and calls for bans on Muslims despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of acts of domestic terrorism are carried out by American born citizens yet people on this site try to push this idea that the entire nation is against white men.

I wish people could read things without biased goggles on, if you reread my comment it actually doesn't reference color at all. Since I don't consider that to be the main problem in society right now, but it is what the elite want the average persons to be hung up on. People dealing with low wage jobs, bad heath care and bad housing situations have no bearing on whether you are black or white as it can effect us all equally 

It would be more beneficial to us all if you guys took other peoples concerns more seriously.

The gender gap, for example, is true (at least here in Germany). Arguments like it "disregards differences in negotiation tactics and job choices", while true, become null and void when you notice that they are solely refuting irrelevant statistics anyway. The "myth" pay gap statistics you're talking about compare the total gross income of men and women and are different from the actual worthwhile statistics which look at individual women who work the same job in the same position and the same hours as men. Basically, statistics which factor in the elements that the others ignore give the same results, but they aren't quite as shocking or impactful than the others. 

 claim: women are paid ~21% less than men. actuality: women are paid 6% less than men. Numbers are based on Germany. I also have sources on that if anyone's interested, but they are in German. Nevertheless, it's not a myth.

Also, I'm willing to wager that you're well aware of toxic masculinity. Ever been with a group of men who talk about women? Or have you never been bothered by some men who unnecessarily make a competition out of everything to try and find something where they can show superiority or dominance for no good reason? Just an example, but whenever I play an online game, too often there's that one guy who talks about raping their opponents or their mothers or whatever. I'm not claiming this to be true for all men or that there aren't any women who are like this, just that saying that it doesn't exist at all is silly.

Even if not all of those things are as true or dire as people claim them to be, you shouldn't completely discard these peoples opinions.