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Should "Likes" display the list of users?

Yes! 51 63.75%
 
No! 29 36.25%
 
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JEMC said:
potato_hamster said:

Why were people against the buddy? How can that potentially negatively impact any user's experience on this site? If it can't, then it makes no sense to compare it to the like system, does it?

As for putting the name on a like, if that happens, I can't wait to see users be told that they hold a certain opinion because they liked a comment or two.

As for using what we've liked against us... what can I say, that says a lot more about the users that try to use it this way, people that should be avoided and that won't last long in the site, than about the rest of us. After all, if I like a post it is because I find it funny, because I agree with what it says or because it helped me in any way. There's nothing to be ashamed for that.

I agree it says a lot about the users that will try and use it this way. Unfortunately, based on my past experience with the userbase of this site, and with the direction it appears the mods want to take this site, I highly doubt that behavior will be discouraged or that the people that will employ such tactics will be moderated for it.

Sometimes I like posts I wholeheartedly disagree with because the argument is well reasoned and well supported. How does one draw that conclusion from seeing my name next to a post I liked?



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fatslob-:O said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

@Bold: Really? So if I tell you here in written form how I don't like what you say or how I don't like you or anything else that is antagonistic in nature, that's not reason to worry about future forum wars?

But a SIMPLE dislike bearing my nickname and you will hunt me down and cut off my head cause that's the ultimate act of war from me and the forum will be set on fire because of that?

As for supporting flaming/trolling posts, I think 0Now even considering the logic of what you say I still don't get it. How are transparent "Likes" going to encourage shit posts towards other users? If anything it's anonymous likes that can do that. If a post is trashy or an attack or a threat, who is going to be stupid enough to transparently like it? Everybody would immediately see who the person liking a "bad" post is. It's ANONYMOUS likes that are going to be easy to make on trash/troll/threat posts.

And finally I believe you are seeing too much into this. A "Like" is just a small thing to tell someone that you agree with their post. If someone says something smart or relevant I may very well let him/her know that I like what he/she said and I want him/her to know that I agree with their comment.

It's pretty different. The antagonistic posts you make could be moderated but users of the liked posts DON'T have to be moderated ... 

In a way, the like system itself can be used as a tool for proxy trolling/flaming and I don't think you understand the intentions behind the users liking the posts either (such as promoting rancid behaviour) so keeping the users who liked the popular/unpopular posts in anonymity protects them from potential harassment in the future ... 

A like system changes the social order along these boards but making it transparent makes it a far more powerful tool ostracizing other unpopular groups or users ... 

Posters like VGP will actually try to hunt me down by baiting me cause I hold an unpopular view (even though an expert evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins agrees with me) that he is outraged with but a transparent like system makes it far easier for other people to keep track of me for my other views about the subject that they don't agree with ... 

He has every post you made saved in a sheet for quick reference so he doesnt need the like system



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
kljesta64 said:
dont display likes unless you want a civil war.

This logic only applies to dislikes.

But how is a like going to start a war on the forum???

If I like what you say and you know I do, what are you going to do? Attack me? Cause, how dare I like what you said?

well if for example i like a negative comment on the sony forums its basically a dislike.

make more sense ?



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kljesta64 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

This logic only applies to dislikes.

But how is a like going to start a war on the forum???

If I like what you say and you know I do, what are you going to do? Attack me? Cause, how dare I like what you said?

well if for example i like a negative comment on the sony forums its basically a dislike.

make more sense ?

But any like that you do will be a dislike of someone else that holds an opposite opinion to the post you liked. By that logic then there should be no liking button at all.

Also like I said to someone else, how is that any different than you writing in a post your negative opinion of Sony? If you want to let us know you hate Sony you'll write it in a comment and now with the new system you can simply like someone else who wrote it. What is the difference? How is that a different problem?

If you have an opinion, don't you want people to know about it? And like I said to this other person if the transparent like button worries you then the solution is very simple: Don't use it



CrazyGamer2017 said:

But any like that you do will be a dislike of someone else that holds an opposite opinion to the post you liked. By that logic then there should be no liking button at all.

Also like I said to someone else, how is that any different than you writing in a post your negative opinion of Sony? If you want to let us know you hate Sony you'll write it in a comment and now with the new system you can simply like someone else who wrote it. What is the difference? How is that a different problem?

if i see you like a negative comment about nintendo my brain will remember you for eternity :D so the next time war is imminent. now imagine 20 likes... lets face it people are people, if you know what i mean..

also a like is much easier than to write a full comment.

so i wonder if there should be a dislike button... it would make things much more fair.



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potato_hamster said:
JEMC said:

As for using what we've liked against us... what can I say, that says a lot more about the users that try to use it this way, people that should be avoided and that won't last long in the site, than about the rest of us. After all, if I like a post it is because I find it funny, because I agree with what it says or because it helped me in any way. There's nothing to be ashamed for that.

I agree it says a lot about the users that will try and use it this way. Unfortunately, based on my past experience with the userbase of this site, and with the direction it appears the mods want to take this site, I highly doubt that behavior will be discouraged or that the people that will employ such tactics will be moderated for it.

Sometimes I like posts I wholeheartedly disagree with because the argument is well reasoned and well supported. How does one draw that conclusion from seeing my name next to a post I liked?

If you're that affraid of what others will think, you can still like the post and then quote it and explain that, while you don't agree with his/her opinions, at least you understand why he/she thinks that way... and then share your own ideas, thus leading to more and better discussions.

As for people misbehaving and using the likes to attack someone. First you (or well, "we" as a whole) should be more proactive and report those wrong doers so mods can do their job. Sometimes mods don't do anything because they arrive late as no one has warned them about what was happening before. Give them the benefit of doubt there's always time to complain later.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

But you say it yourself. VGP (whoever that is) can hunt you down by baiting you cause you hold an unpopular view. But correct me if I'm wrong but that unpopular view, you must have expressed it with a POST in which you have written said unpopular view right? So you are hunted down by that person for something you have written and I assume you don't mind since you have written that unpopular opinion somewhere. So again I don't see the difference between you being hunted down cause you WROTE an unpopular opinion compared to you being hunted down cause you like someone else's unpopular opinion.

If someone wants to hunt me down or bait me cause I love Einstein, I don't care that he/she hates me cause I WROTE a post where I say I love Einstein or cause I liked someone else's post saying he/she loves Einstein.

In this example you don't mind writing that you love Einstein and being hunted down for that but you mind "Liking" someone else's post that says they love Einstein and liking that post in your opinion will cause you more problems than you writing yourself a post where you put in full words that you love Einstein...

Ultimately the solution to this problem is rather simple. If you really feel that liking someone's post could bring trouble for you, don't like any posts and you'll be ok. Me personally I like Einstein and I also like Richard Dawkins, I love how he kicks religion's ass and I'm not afraid to say it or to LIKE the post of someone else that would say it. And if someone later on wants to try and hold against me the fact that I liked such a post, I'll simply double down and reply: Sure I loved that post you mentioned cause I do love Einstein and Dawkins, did you think I was going to recant just because you don't like me liking Einstein and Dawkins?

But that's just me. Like I said, feel free to never touch the "Like" button and you'll be ok.

@Bold Massive difference, it's not just about me being targeted. He'll probably put his cross hair on those WHO LIKED MY POST ... 

Your examples are way too innocent of the realities since posts such as "haha, you sux" can get liked but the victim knowing WHO specifically liked it will draw ill will from the victim and then god forbid when we have a console war with statements like "haha, PS4 sux" makes it far easier for the Playstation fanbase on here to associate who is or isn't a hostile poster ... 

Transparency doesn't promote honesty, in fact it does the opposite since it's a form of surveillance and when users are on surveillance they act differently ... (having a transparent like system is like knowing who voted for which candidate in an election and we don't do the latter for potential issues like intimidation or harassment)

And never touching the like button defeats the purpose of the system in the first place ... 

kirby007 said:

He has every post you made saved in a sheet for quick reference so he doesnt need the like system

Yes but it makes it a lot easier for him to keep track of those who liked my posts or other posts from other users which liked it ... 

For him or posters like him, it's becomes another useful tool for harassing other people ... 

RolStoppable said:

So in summary, people who want to be dicks should be protected by the system, because otherwise they could get called out for being dicks with evidence.

By the way, what exactly does Richard Dawkins agree with you on?

If being a dick meant carrying an unpopular opinion then sure whatever floats your boat. The other system isn't any better since it openly promotes being dicks too if the victim knew who the perpetrators were then there's a very high chance of tensions raising with future posts between victim and the proxies the but if everyone prefers a free for all then I won't object to the idea if their okay with making this community closer into a cesspool like youtube ... 

Yeah, I'm not a fan of troll/flame posts being liked but if I knew who the offenders were then it'd be very tempting to crap all over those who liked the post in question in the future and give foul disposition ... 

As for Richard Dawkins, If you really want to know then here it is ... 

Last edited by fatslob-:O - on 24 April 2018

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JEMC said:
potato_hamster said:

I agree it says a lot about the users that will try and use it this way. Unfortunately, based on my past experience with the userbase of this site, and with the direction it appears the mods want to take this site, I highly doubt that behavior will be discouraged or that the people that will employ such tactics will be moderated for it.

Sometimes I like posts I wholeheartedly disagree with because the argument is well reasoned and well supported. How does one draw that conclusion from seeing my name next to a post I liked?

If you're that affraid of what others will think, you can still like the post and then quote it and explain that, while you don't agree with his/her opinions, at least you understand why he/she thinks that way... and then share your own ideas, thus leading to more and better discussions.

As for people misbehaving and using the likes to attack someone. First you (or well, "we" as a whole) should be more proactive and report those wrong doers so mods can do their job. Sometimes mods don't do anything because they arrive late as no one has warned them about what was happening before. Give them the benefit of doubt there's always time to complain later.

I'm not at all afraid about what others would think, like not even a little bit. I do, however, expect it to affect the way conversations are had in the future on this site in a negative way. Like systems automatically add a degree of popularity or implied "correctness" to conversations.

As for reporting, I've also had enough experience with the reporting system to have a more cynical opinion about it than you appear to have. That's all I'm willing to say about that.



potato_hamster said:
Aeolus451 said:

 I already explained why you're wrong. I'm not trying to change your opinion but to show a side of this to others who might be on the fence on this. Anonymity allows for the highest degree of honesty. That's self-evident. People are multifaceted. They have a multitude of opinions and sides to themselves that they wouldn't show under normal circumstances. It's not dishonest in any way to express those opinions or side of oneself under a cloak of anonymity. It's a means of protection from mob mentality. People can still like a statement even if the post was intended to troll or to be mean.

So you want to know who likes a post about suikoden? Sure..... That's so benign that it must absolutely be true. I'm not buying that especially since you already said the opposite in the reasons why you think anonymity is bad. You know as well as I do that we talk about alot more than just innocent video games posts and that's what we're actually talking about in terms of liking posts.

But as I've already told you, Anonymity also allows for the highest degree of dishonesty. That is also self evident. They can pretend to have any opinion, thoughts, feelings, say whatever they want, act in whatever way they want, and face literally no consequences for it. It can be completely dishonest to express an opinion you actually don't have to hurt someone else, and it also means that mobs can form and actions can be made more extreme because of anonymity. Look at 4Chan. Look at trolling in general. Look at how many anonymous threats internet users get. This happens because these users are anonymous and because there will be no consequences for their actions. Sure anonymity allows for absolute honesty, but it also allows for absolute toxicity. It's very much a double edged sword.

Just take this site here. Imagine every user had to use their real name on their user accounts. Just imagine how many less moderations would be made in the run of a day But since we do use user names, you're already anonymous, therefore whether you know the usernames of those who like posts is completely irrelevant. It's not like a user liking a post automatically means that they agree with the opinions expressed within that post anyways, so why does it matter to you if the usernames are displayed with the likes?

Someone being mean on the net is not dishonest. Alot of the behaviour you're describing isn't dishonest either. The intention behind trolling isn't dishonest but how someone goes about it can be honest or dishonest. Sure, anonymity brings out some of worst sides of people but it allows for the greatest range of topics to be discussed including the taboo. It's a completely worthwhile double-edged sword to have especially with all the activists out there trying to go after people's jobs or ruin others' lives over shit posts. 

So people can like whatever they want on this forum without any kind of repercussion. Why do you want to know who likes something? It's just an anonymous like system. It's not we're talking about allowing people to be shitty to others on here and getting away with it.