1: Really? Can you link me to their policy please.

2: yeah, but on Xbox you don't have to pay for live to get cloud saves. Hence why I said "free".

3: okay fine, this one is more a matter of opinion, I'll give you that (although it's undeniable that analog stick placement on Xbox is better for everything that isn't a fighter or 2d platformer)

4: ps4 fans vary a lot, whereas Xbox is way more consistent. My friend has a jet engine variant

5: so what if it's a 100 bucks more? It's a high end console for enthusiasts. This isn't the base variant. 

6: live is down way less often than ps2 is. I'll get back to you once I've gathered the evidence.

I actually agree. Almost everything is better on Xbox (compared to PS4) except the most important thing: the games.

The UI is better, the controller is better, the online subscription package is better, the BC is far better. But games trump all, and that's why Xbox One is inferior to PS4.

The xbox one is terrible I bought a one s to play with a few mates and games randomly close down/crash, All my mates experience this! the free games every month you don't get to keep where as on ps you do so how is the online subscription package better? I do like the xbox controller but thats about it, I can see myself selling this for the switch very soon.

The xbox may be the most powerful but clearly they don't know how to make use of the xbox one x power. Just look at god of war! it's easily the best looking game ever made, you need to have talent on your side to make use of the one x power and to produce amazing graphics along with games. Even digital foundry done a comparisons with gt sport and forza 7 and gt sport is the better looking more detailed game.

Then there's the player base, ps4 are always pretty much double the amount with each game bought compared to xbox so multiplayer games are going to die on xbox much quicker and not be as active.

The xbox one x isn't a huge leap over the ps4 pro, the xbox one x is only going to be a bit sharper in games with it hitting near the 4k mark compared to the ps but it's nothing special. If the specs are right about the ps5 then we really will see a powerhouse console, the bad thing about the pro and one x is that it's gpu limited due to the poor cpu. The ps5 is looking to be  much more balance hardware wise and the cpu and gpu will work amazingly well together and will be very powerful also,. The ps5 will be insane.

If the Xbox One had no exclusives, you would have a point. But alas, it does. Then you have all those PS4 players that chose GTAV over many exclusives. What are the odds RDR2 will outsell GoW on PS4? Guess they would rather have the hot-dog over the hamburger, instead. Your logic needs work.

Actually I am still waiting for someone to show me one example from the past 30 days.  I somewhat expect there to be an example out there, since I'm not saying they are the same price 100% of the time.  I just find it funny that people are willing to argue so much while providing zero authentic evidence.

I’ll take those features any day. Would I love to play uncharted 4, horizon, last of us, and god of war. Of course I would but even if I did own a ps4 90% of my purchases would be muliplat games still so the question that I ask myself is. Do I want all those features + the best looking and playing version of muliplats or do I want to have those extra 10% of games. For me the choice is Xbox. I think people should respect that as I respect other people’s right to choose first party over all that. 

Ps my favorite game series of all time is halo so that helps sway me towards Xbox from the get go.

Between me and you, my first choice is Xbox too. Mainly because of the Forza Series. and being able to carry over most of my 360 library (to the point where my 360 is almost useless now). Game Pass is just a great added bonus.

As for the last statement I made, I was talking about about the general consensus and not myself.

Microsoft and Sony are only discounting a minimal amount of games though.
Steam discounts literally thousands of titles at any one time, that is the big difference here.

Sony and Microsoft have certainly made some bold improvements and good for them, but they still don't hold a candle to Steam.

I never claimed anything to the contrary.

You can get pre-order discounts and bonuses at retail stores as well for PC games, although physical PC sales is certainly a minority in this day and age.

PC has always had the advantage of lower software prices, but higher initial hardware prices.

Sometimes, but not always. I am a PC gamer with a massive library. And I do have a stupidly massive console game collection, so I am well versed on the costings of the media.

There is literally always a sale on somewhere for PC games, the same doesn't always hold true for Console though, especially on new release/pre-orders.

Well. Best Buy doesn't exist here... And he doesn't live in the USA either thus currency may be different.

1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.

2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.

3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...

4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.

5- $100 more expensive...

6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.

1: Really? Can you link me to their policy please.

2: yeah, but on Xbox you don't have to pay for live to get cloud saves. Hence why I said "free".

3: okay fine, this one is more a matter of opinion, I'll give you that (although it's undeniable that analog stick placement on Xbox is better for everything that isn't a fighter or 2d platformer)

4: ps4 fans vary a lot, whereas Xbox is way more consistent. My friend has a jet engine variant

5: so what if it's a 100 bucks more? It's a high end console for enthusiasts. This isn't the base variant. 

6: live is down way less often than ps2 is. I'll get back to you once I've gathered the evidence.

@bold: I think you’re a little confused. It’s actually the opposite. Through GWG you get to keep all X360 games forever, even after your Xbox Live subscription lapses. When you end your PS+ membership, all your “free” games are inaccessible. 

1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.

2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.

3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...

4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.

5- $100 more expensive...

6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.

Getting a refund for Star Wars Battlefront because I wanted to buy the Digital Deluxe Version instead of the regular version was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. The lady actually said that "I've done this too many times already". I had never gotten a refund before and was trying to but THE MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION.

It wasn't until I asked her to tell me when I'd ever gotten a refund before and she saw that I spent thousands on digital games that she authorized the refund. I hadn't even downloaded the game or played a single second of it.

Meanwhile, on Xbox One I had bought PUBG and realized that, after several matches, it totally sucked. I just clicked "refund" and my money was returned.

I actually haven't read the rest of your post but the easy refund thing is totally false!

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2: I have multiple PS4s and Xbox Ones. I've said it repeatedly on this site but, on Xbox, playing a game is like watching a YouTube or Netflix movie. You can play a level, turn off the system (or even leave it on). Go to another console later on and jump in right where you left off in seconds. For FREE! 

I have two PS4s. Even when I had PS+, only the primary PS4 would automatically update to the cloud. It would only do it once per day. Other than that, you have to manually upload your save and then manually download the save on a second console. It's really cumbersome. You can copy your save data to a USB device, though.

4. I have a PS4 Pro and a regular PS4. Playing God of War on the Pro last night, it would sound like a jet engine! It would stop after a while but it would start again. Maybe every fifteen minutes.

The xbox one is terrible I bought a one s to play with a few mates and games randomly close down/crash, All my mates experience this! the free games every month you don't get to keep where as on ps you do so how is the online subscription package better? I do like the xbox controller but thats about it, I can see myself selling this for the switch very soon.

The xbox may be the most powerful but clearly they don't know how to make use of the xbox one x power. Just look at god of war! it's easily the best looking game ever made, you need to have talent on your side to make use of the one x power and to produce amazing graphics along with games. Even digital foundry done a comparisons with gt sport and forza 7 and gt sport is the better looking more detailed game.

Then there's the player base, ps4 are always pretty much double the amount with each game bought compared to xbox so multiplayer games are going to die on xbox much quicker and not be as active.

The xbox one x isn't a huge leap over the ps4 pro, the xbox one x is only going to be a bit sharper in games with it hitting near the 4k mark compared to the ps but it's nothing special. If the specs are right about the ps5 then we really will see a powerhouse console, the bad thing about the pro and one x is that it's gpu limited due to the poor cpu. The ps5 is looking to be  much more balance hardware wise and the cpu and gpu will work amazingly well together and will be very powerful also,. The ps5 will be insane.