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Random_Matt said:
GCN can only accomodate 64CU's, custom would be too expensive. Loving the TF numbers people are throwing about. PS5 will not be a massive leap, the pro proved that.

How does the Pro prove anything? To save costs, all they did was double up on the GPU and give it a slightly higher clock, with a few extra features from Vega thrown in. That speaks to nothing except for how they may do a PS5 Pro. A completely different GPU will be just that, different. 



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"Generational Leaps," in that they wow us with the advancements and experience, are no longer the sole responsibility of system power.  If it were, we may never experience another "leap" again.  Power could increase 2 or 3x fold at this point and other than upping resolution to 4k and a few games developed by long time huge development teams building upon existing game assets, we would rarely see any differences.  Interface, design, and application are going to be the biggest leaps going forward.  If PS5 grabs ahold of the VR market and revolutionizes the setup, making it mainstream, then THAT would potentially be a "leap" to the degree that we have expected.



They should launch it in 2020 or 2021. Whatever it takes to get a great leap for a great price. And I believe there will be another leap between the first games on the system and the last.



PS5 should launch when light weight 4K VR headsets with reliable inside out and eye tracking are affordable. Headsets need to be available from the start, not another add-on 2 years later.

2020 at the very earliest, 2021 is better.

15tf is not going to bring that generational leap wow factor on a screen anyway. At most you can expect some star citizen like graphics and perhaps some more dynamic lighting. The big leap will be in VR.



What we expect out of a generational leap shapes the answer to this question. If we are talking roughly PS3 to PS4 level and at $400 I'd say 2020 to 2021 is when that will be possible.



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Either way, I'm still sticking with 2019, with an outside chance of 2020.

An outside chance? Do you honestly think Sony would shoot themselves in the foot by releasing the PS5 with Tsushima, Last of Us 2 and FF7 Remake still in the pipe? Those are system sellers, that would be so so dumb.

Do the math bro, a 2019 release date isnt gonna happen - no matter which viewpoint you take. 



Kristof81 said:
Kind of. At best PS5 will be as powerful as today's high-end PCs. In two years time, it will be considered mid-range. Apart from 4k60fps capable machine, I don't think it will look like generational leap in terms of pure visuals. I'm more interested in what devs (especially 1st party) can do with utilizing that Ryzen CPU to its full potential. We could see some very impressive (or even never-seen-before) physics and environments. So it might not look like a leap, but it will most definitely feel like it.

Yes I believe so too. Except I'm getting more positive towards the Navi gpu. I think the radeon 680 will beat the 1080 ti from Nvidia and have similiar performance to geforce 2080. Ps5/xbox two gpus will probably beat the geforce 1080 ti by about 10-20% :). So a bit higher than a high end pc.



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Random_Matt said:
GCN can only accomodate 64CU's, custom would be too expensive. Loving the TF numbers people are throwing about. PS5 will not be a massive leap, the pro proved that.

Yes but hopefully Amd has fixed the 64CU/4096 gpu core limit in Navi architecture. When they launched the Vega gpu they told Anandtech they could easily fix the limit but decided to focus on upping the clock speed on Vega.

About TF number, 7nm gives about 3x transistor in same die size compared to 16nm in ps4 pro. With 2.5x gpu cores and 1250 clock speed compared to ps4 pro gives about 14 TF as I have predicted. It's possible if Sony launches 2020 with 499$ price.

Check out my prediction on page 4.



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thismeintiel said:
Trumpstyle said:

"Of those, two people said they were directly familiar with plans for Sony’s new console. Those two people both told me that the next PlayStation is unlikely to release in 2019"

This is from the article.

https://kotaku.com/sources-the-playstation-5-is-still-a-ways-off-1825152206

Also from reading the article there is no information that devs have devkits either, which Jason should know as he is suppose to have the best inside information of all gaming reporters.

He also says it's possible that those dev kits are under lock and key, so that only higher upside and certain devs can have access to them, like previous ones. If that is the case, which two other reliable leaks seem to suggest, then Jason must not be talking to some of the highest people on the totem pole. Which he doesn't seem to stress that these people are high enough that they definitely would know if there were some out there. Which also makes me doubt he is talking to someone who knows for sure what Sony has planned.

Either way, I'm still sticking with 2019, with an outside chance of 2020.

Well if you right about 2019, E3 this year should give us a clue. Maybe a game announcement that gives us a hint that is next-gen title.



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Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

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Good. It's too early for that anyways. More focus on games than hardware for a few years please. This gen doesn't feel like it's even half way.