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Snoorlax on 16 April 2018
Vinther1991 said:

Strange that there are so many Russia fans here. Putin's propaganda machine seems to be working better than I expected.
I for one am happy Trump has made it more difficult for Assad to use chemical weapons.

Dude stop being a blind Trump follower and face the facts, Russia is helping Syria, Syria is helping Syria, Trump is helping the terrorists... Just like Hillary wanted.

I'm not a Russian agent or a Muslim i've never been to Russia and i don't care about Islam in general but i do side with the truth and believe that anybody and any nation has the right to set their own laws, solve their own goddam problems and practice their faith without attacking others or intervention from Western powers. Why is Trump still in Syria when he wanted to leave and solve Americas problems? Why did Trump suddenly attack if Assad had already won against ISIS? Why the fuck is Trump supporting Saudi Arabia when they were behind 911? It just makes no sense either Trump is being held at gunpoint at his office or he was fucking with us all along either way i don't trust him anymore

o_O.Q said:
Vinther1991 said:

Strange that there are so many Russia fans here. Putin's propaganda machine seems to be working better than I expected.
I for one am happy Trump has made it more difficult for Assad to use chemical weapons.

we have past evidence of western powers lying to push conflicts

 

 

we know that the rebels have links to groups pushing sharia law 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group

 

the united states has confirmed that the rebels use chemical weapons

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-22/us-now-admits-syrian-rebels-have-used-chemical-weapons

 

we have loads of evidence that it was the rebels who were backed by the us

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syrian-rebels-sarin-gas-20130913-story.html

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24761710.html

https://whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/01/really-used-chemical-weapons-syria/

 

finally we know that the turmoil in the region was planned

 

anyone with common sense should wonder how the intention could be to help the syrian people by fucking bombing them... and not just bombing them but by bombing the facilities where the chemicals are being stored... i mean jesus christ you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together here

 

...the information is out there for anyone who wants to stop being a puppet

Don't bother with facts and sources because whenever you do people tend to ignore it and change the subject just like it's happening now.

Rogerioandrade said:
Just as a side note, It´s actually very hard to know what exactly is happening in Syria right now. Media doesn´t have much access to the country as they pretend to have.

People have been posting videos recorded with mobiles on social media, showing people dying by chemical attacks,people hiding in underground caves during bombings, crying for help, among other very sensitive things. I have not seen reports like that on traditional media.

Of course, no one claim responsability for those attacks, but there´s something very very wrong about what´s happening in Syria and something must be done for those people.

I don´t think that such attack will cause a major international war. Russia does not seem to care much about people in Syria. Maybe they´re just interested in oil or whatever resources the country may provide them, regardless what Bashar Al-Assad does with its people.

That's exactly why no one cares, if it's not on TV oh then it must be fake news! Who gives a shit right? Fuck those Syrians and their families! Let them be raped and murdered by terrorists our government supports as long as our country doesn't have to go any of that.

LiquorandGunFun said:

Ahh the Hitler argument when the left has nothing to fight back with thats the go to, or some other BS. Means nothing and goes nowhere.

Hitler must be behind all of this stuff all the way from Argentina

teamsilent13 said:

I’m very strongly against involvement in Syria. I like most other things he has done or tried. It’s too far out to judge everything for re-election. Against any democrat I would vote for him, and most Republicans, too. It could be that I don’t vote at all if we lack a nationalist candidate and protest with the alt-right instead. I’m not actually alt-right, but they seem to be strongly against immigration and war more than any politician in the GOP right now

People need to understand that Democrats today are not the same make love and peace hippies from the 70's anymore these are a bunch of Zionists influenced puppets trying to destroy Western society, American families and values. When you've got a candidate that supports a war that in no way benefits American citizens nor does it help Middle Eastern countries you know something is wrong, all they care about is their own pockets and have a monolopy on every continent where they see fit. 



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VGPolyglot on 16 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, if you're a socialist, and you say that Nazism is socialism, are you a Nazi then?

humans are animals... does that mean all animals are humans?

So, I can tell that you're not interest in genuine discussion, I don't know if you just take this as a joke, are just trying to rile me up, etc. but I'm not going to play your game.



Insidb on 16 April 2018

Cohen was Sean Hannity's legal counsel...these people are ridiculous.



Jumpin on 16 April 2018
LiquorandGunFun said:
Faust said:

i fu**ing hate democrats if that is what r u implying. I hate them so much that i couldnt bring myself to vote for Hillary even knowing how bad Trump and the republicans are.

and about your question... errrm communism?

 

Edit: Btw projection?

Ahh the Hitler argument when the left has nothing to fight back with thats the go to, or some other BS. Means nothing and goes nowhere.

No not communism, he executed the communists. Im sorry if public education let you down.

Basically, that's the conclusion I have come to.

It's like trying to argue that potatoes aren't apples. They come back and say "Well, Mr. Idiot, if they're not apples why do the Swiss and Austrians call them ground apples? You are just trying to do word gymnastics to avoid the association."

They think socialism and national socialism are the same thing, or at least closely related because of the word socialism; despite having completely opposing worldviews and ideologies. They also believe communism and socialism are the same thing because they both factor into Marxist theories.



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Faust on 16 April 2018
Jumpin said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

No not communism, he executed the communists. Im sorry if public education let you down.

Basically, that's the conclusion I have come to.

It's like trying to argue that potatoes aren't apples. They come back and say "Well, Mr. Idiot, if they're not apples why do the Swiss and Austrians call them ground apples? You are just trying to do word gymnastics to avoid the association."

They think socialism and national socialism are the same thing, or at least closely related because of the word socialism; despite having completely opposing worldviews and ideologies. They also believe communism and socialism are the same thing because they both factor into Marxist theories.

Just in case u didnt followed the whole conversation, i never argued that Nazis are neither socialist nor  communist



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o_O.Q on 16 April 2018
VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

humans are animals... does that mean all animals are humans?

So, I can tell that you're not interest in genuine discussion, I don't know if you just take this as a joke, are just trying to rile me up, etc. but I'm not going to play your game.

i'm not playing a game i asked you quite simply how your socialist state would operate without a government in a hierarchy above the people

you then deflected by asking me if i'm a socialist, it was you that broke the chain of discussion



Chris Hu on 16 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:
The Nazi's had nothing to do with the health care system during the Third Reich. The healthcare system that is currently in place in Germany goes back to the 1880's. Plus its not that socialist since its a multi-payer health care system. Most socialists, progressives and people on the left are in favor of a single payer healthcare system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

 

"The healthcare system that is currently in place in Germany goes back to the 1880's."

and your point is? did i say that hitler implemented the system or that it was one of his policies?

does the fact that the system already existed change the fact that it was one of his socialist goal?

"In the late 1800s, the new German state under Otto von Bismarck ushered in a “welfare monarchy.” It gave German citizens universal health care coverage as well as disability insurance. It may sound like a generous, sweeping policy. But it was not all innocent or benevolent.

The German government had ulterior motives. (As the United States government does today.) Ultimately, a healthy society costs less.

The German government wanted to keep its population healthy, productive, and fit for warfare. They literally wanted their citizens “fit to fight.”

Bismarck also said, “a little socialism would prevent the development of a more virulent socialism.” Of course, Germany eventually produced the most virulent form of National Socialism the world has ever known–Nazism.

After the monarchy collapsed following WWI in 1919, the new German government implemented even more sweeping healthcare reforms. Doctors went to work for the government. And no longer for the individual patient. (Remember this, the next time you hear about the merits of Obamacare.)"

and hitler did not peel back these reforms because he was a socialist

 

"Plus its not that socialist since its a multi-payer health care system."

which was not the case in nazi germany... which is what i was referring to

The system didn't chance under the NAZI's.  Also its a well known fact that Hitler was big admirer of Henry Ford.  No true socialist would be a admirer of Ford.  Hitler was a fascists not a socialist get back at me when you realize this basic historic fact.  Otherwise lay off me and keep on living in your alternate facts dream world like most conservatives do.  



Cubedramirez on 17 April 2018
John2290 said:
Cubedramirez said:

I do understand your concern regarding the possibility of a war and I can accept nothing I type will change your position on it. However I am a very dense person and I'll still try to ease your concerns. 

Russia cannot stand against NATO. Russia with Iran and China fully committed cannot stand against NATO. This is no secret and regardless of what opportunistic story is written on a website talking about the advancements in military technology from the Russian side, i.e. the S-400 air defense system, the fact is that they don't have the ability to defend themselves today against assets we've used for decades in multiple theaters, namely the B-1b bomber being the most recent aging asset used. I wish I could convey to you why I have zero concern because what limited information I know of our untouchable abilities in the air and sea, Russia has a far greater understanding that this isn't a fight they could ever hope to win in any measurable way. 

Russia aside,the bigger picture is the west against the east. China, Russia, Iran and the rest of the middle east as well as North Korea against western allies? A global conflict now and either side has no real advantage unless alliances shift.

However, by greater war, I mean a greater war or at least I hope so, in the middle east because if it breaks out of the area the world stage is so ominous right now with the US trying to cling to power west to east and everywhere in between. Can the US fight war on multiple fronts right now and have a advantage? I'm not so sure.

Any mistep could be disastrous and the bombing of syria the last night was a misguided and idiotic move. I just hope this all settles down as fast as it is escalating. Especially with China and Russia. 

Change every time you type US to NATO and you'll understand why it's not as worrisome as you believe it to be. Article 9 gets enacted and the might plus logistical advantages of 20 plus nations comes to down on Russia and anyone else stupid enough to escalate this further. 



o_O.Q on 18 April 2018
Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"The healthcare system that is currently in place in Germany goes back to the 1880's."

and your point is? did i say that hitler implemented the system or that it was one of his policies?

does the fact that the system already existed change the fact that it was one of his socialist goal?

"In the late 1800s, the new German state under Otto von Bismarck ushered in a “welfare monarchy.” It gave German citizens universal health care coverage as well as disability insurance. It may sound like a generous, sweeping policy. But it was not all innocent or benevolent.

The German government had ulterior motives. (As the United States government does today.) Ultimately, a healthy society costs less.

The German government wanted to keep its population healthy, productive, and fit for warfare. They literally wanted their citizens “fit to fight.”

Bismarck also said, “a little socialism would prevent the development of a more virulent socialism.” Of course, Germany eventually produced the most virulent form of National Socialism the world has ever known–Nazism.

After the monarchy collapsed following WWI in 1919, the new German government implemented even more sweeping healthcare reforms. Doctors went to work for the government. And no longer for the individual patient. (Remember this, the next time you hear about the merits of Obamacare.)"

and hitler did not peel back these reforms because he was a socialist

 

"Plus its not that socialist since its a multi-payer health care system."

which was not the case in nazi germany... which is what i was referring to

The system didn't chance under the NAZI's.  Also its a well known fact that Hitler was big admirer of Henry Ford.  No true socialist would be a admirer of Ford.  Hitler was a fascists not a socialist get back at me when you realize this basic historic fact.  Otherwise lay off me and keep on living in your alternate facts dream world like most conservatives do.  

"The system didn't chance under the NAZI's."

what?

 

"Also its a well known fact that Hitler was big admirer of Henry Ford."

lol so you ignore the fact that just about all of his policies were socialist policies and jump instead to people he fancied

did ford have a big penis or something? why did hitler admire him?

 

" Otherwise lay off me and keep on living in your alternate facts dream world like most conservatives do. "

first off i never identified myself as a conservative so i find that offensive

secondly you're the one pushing delusional bullshit my good man



Chris Hu on 18 April 2018

Nope, the only one that is delusional is you.  In the real world and not in the dream world you live in, its a basic indisputable fact that Hitler was a fascist and not a socialist.