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VGPolyglot on 07 April 2018
CrazyGamer2017 said:
sundin13 said:

"Take responsibility for the mistake you made".

Again, you haven't explained what this means.

Still, you keep putting the responsibility on the woman. You are saying that you were an idiot for marrying this guy, even though he may have showed no signs of being someone who would rape you. You are saying that you made mistakes and that you are to blame for making the mistake of being with someone who would rape you.

If you don't see how this constitutes textbook victim blaming, I think that is on you at this point.

I also said he must take responsibility for the CRIME of rape, didn't I, but again you are blind to that part.

And yes I said that she needs to take responsibility for the MISTAKE, I did not say crime, I said mistake because marrying an asshole that ends up raping you is EXACTLY the definition of the word, mistake.

If I shut down my computer right now cause you guys are kind of a pain to talk to (it's the middle of the night over here) and go out on foot towards a dangerous part of town and get stabbed, I MADE A MISTAKE, I could not know in advance I was going to get stabbed, yet I (not my neighbor, not the Pope, not the president but I, as in ME) made the MISTAKE of going alone, on foot to a dangerous part of town in the middle of the night. Am I to blame for the crime of stabbing? Nope but in my hospital bed I will have the basic LOGIC of realizing that I was a DUMBASS for going alone in a dangerous part of town and I will take responsibility for that mistake, while the attacker must take responsibility for the crime.

That's what I'm saying and that's how it is. And no PC counter arguments from you or others will change these facts.

Well, obviously it's not a crime, why would anyone reasonably make it a crime to be raped by your husband? So, the fact that you didn't call it a crime has almost no importance at all really, your point was still very clear.



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berzerkertank on 07 April 2018
CrazyGamer2017 said:
berzerkertank said:

At least I gave counter points to most of your arguments this time.

Probably true, I don't know I did not read what you said but I'll take your word for it.

Next time try not to include insults or derogatory attacks and then I will read what you say, agree or disagree but read it and from there we will be able to do a civilized thing called "debate". It's very interesting but only when people respect each other.

I don't think you of all people should be talking about respect, seeing that you didn't read what I had posted.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 07 April 2018
CrazyGamer2017 said:
berzerkertank said:

At least I gave counter points to most of your arguments this time.

Probably true, I don't know I did not read what you said (I read until the insult, then I stopped) but I'll take your word for it.

Next time try not to include insults or derogatory attacks and then I will read what you say, agree or disagree but read it and from there we will be able to do a civilized thing called "debate". It's very interesting but only when people respect each other.

Wow .... you're 40 years old and you can't handle a debate because someone put a few casual insults your way? You won't read or respond to someones comment because it's "too aggressive" or insulting? Even something as tame as Berzerkertank's comment? 

You just don't want to have to argue with 40+ people and you found an easy way to squeeze out of one extra discussion. Nothing he said was even that offensive and you should be able to handle it. Maturity isn't about calling people kids or telling them to grow up while ironically complaining about them insulting you in the process. Being mature is about making actual valid points, and not bitching about random things in order to get out of a debate with someone. 



CrazyGamer2017 on 07 April 2018
berzerkertank said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Probably true, I don't know I did not read what you said but I'll take your word for it.

Next time try not to include insults or derogatory attacks and then I will read what you say, agree or disagree but read it and from there we will be able to do a civilized thing called "debate". It's very interesting but only when people respect each other.

I don't think you of all people should be talking about respect, seeing that you didn't read what I had posted.

Sorry I was not clear on that. I did start reading what you said, but at the very first line of your text you began using derogatory words, what was it again? Oh yeah, brainlet. My nickname is Crazygamer, not brainlet. So yeah, I do talk of respect and debating in a civilized manner.

It's amazing that you insult me when I never insulted you and you have the audacity of telling me that I should not speak of respect. I'm just like, wow.



sundin13 on 07 April 2018
CrazyGamer2017 said:
sundin13 said:

"Take responsibility for the mistake you made".

Again, you haven't explained what this means.

Still, you keep putting the responsibility on the woman. You are saying that you were an idiot for marrying this guy, even though he may have showed no signs of being someone who would rape you. You are saying that you made mistakes and that you are to blame for making the mistake of being with someone who would rape you.

If you don't see how this constitutes textbook victim blaming, I think that is on you at this point.

I also said he must take responsibility for the CRIME of rape, didn't I, but again you are blind to that part.

And yes I said that she needs to take responsibility for the MISTAKE, I did not say crime, I said mistake because marrying an asshole that ends up raping you is EXACTLY the definition of the word, mistake.

If I shut down my computer right now cause you guys are kind of a pain to talk to (it's the middle of the night over here) and go out on foot towards a dangerous part of town and get stabbed, I MADE A MISTAKE, I could not know in advance I was going to get stabbed, yet I (not my neighbor, not the Pope, not the president but I, as in ME) made the MISTAKE of going alone, on foot to a dangerous part of town in the middle of the night. Am I to blame for the crime of stabbing? Nope but in my hospital bed I will have the basic LOGIC of realizing that I was a DUMBASS for going alone in a dangerous part of town and I will take responsibility for that mistake, while the attacker must take responsibility for the crime.

That's what I'm saying and that's how it is. And no PC counter arguments from you or others will change these facts.

Saying that she should take responsibility for her "mistake" implies that it was her fault. We aren't talking about someone counting money in back alleys here, we are talking about someone who is in a relationship with someone and that person doing something horrible and violating their trust.

To put it another way, say you were walking through your local mall in the middle of the day and you got mugged. Did you make a mistake? No, because your actions were not faulty or unreasonable even though they led to a negative outcome. You are saying that by default, if a woman gets raped by her husband, it had to be because she made stupid decisions, and totally ignoring the possibility that there may have been no fault in her actions and nothing to imply that this would be the outcome at the time she married him.

Unless you think that women should operate under the assumption that any man could rape them, there is no logic to that point (and that would be a pretty fucked up assumption).

Why should any of the burden fall on the woman here? Why should we blame her when she did nothing wrong? And why is blaming the woman and calling her an idiot the first thing you turn to in this conversation? Why, when someone mentions marital rape, do you first think "wow, that woman must have been a "DUMBASS" for marrying that guy" and not something like "Wow, it is horrible that this individual would violate their partner's trust."? Do you not see the harm that this mindset can do to victims of domestic abuse?

And as a side note, I'm not sure why you are emphasizing the fact that she didn't commit a crime. Like, no shit Sherlock, no one ever said she did or implied that you said she did. And the fact that you are saying that the rapist in this scenario committed a crime doesn't change anything either. The reason I haven't addressed it is because there is nothing to address.

CrazyGamer2017 said:
berzerkertank said:

I don't think you of all people should be talking about respect, seeing that you didn't read what I had posted.

Sorry I was not clear on that. I did start reading what you said, but at the very first line of your text you began using derogatory words, what was it again? Oh yeah, brainlet. My nickname is Crazygamer, not brainlet. So yeah, I do talk of respect and debating in a civilized manner.

It's amazing that you insult me when I never insulted you and you have the audacity of telling me that I should not speak of respect. I'm just like, wow.

Where is the respect towards victims of rape? Or are they to blame for you repeatedly calling them idiot or dumbass too?



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fatslob-:O on 07 April 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Wow .... you're 40 years old and you can't handle a debate because someone put a few casual insults your way? You won't read or respond to someones comment because it's "too aggressive" or insulting? Even something as tame as Berzerkertank's comment? 

You just don't want to have to argue with 40+ people and you found an easy way to squeeze out of one extra discussion. Nothing he said was even that offensive and you should be able to handle it. Maturity isn't about calling people kids or telling them to grow up while ironically complaining about them insulting you in the process. Being mature is about making actual valid points, and not bitching about random things in order to get out of a debate with someone. 

Nah, Berzerk was getting out of line but this is not for us to comment about mod issues and there's no need for this place to devolve into the youtube comment section ... 



HomokHarcos on 07 April 2018
CrazyGamer2017 said:
sundin13 said:

"Take responsibility for the mistake you made".

Again, you haven't explained what this means.

Still, you keep putting the responsibility on the woman. You are saying that you were an idiot for marrying this guy, even though he may have showed no signs of being someone who would rape you. You are saying that you made mistakes and that you are to blame for making the mistake of being with someone who would rape you.

If you don't see how this constitutes textbook victim blaming, I think that is on you at this point.

I also said he must take responsibility for the CRIME of rape, didn't I, but again you are blind to that part.

And yes I said that she needs to take responsibility for the MISTAKE, I did not say crime, I said mistake because marrying an asshole that ends up raping you is EXACTLY the definition of the word, mistake.

If I shut down my computer right now cause you guys are kind of a pain to talk to (it's the middle of the night over here) and go out on foot towards a dangerous part of town and get stabbed, I MADE A MISTAKE, I could not know in advance I was going to get stabbed, yet I (not my neighbor, not the Pope, not the president but I, as in ME) made the MISTAKE of going alone, on foot to a dangerous part of town in the middle of the night. Am I to blame for the crime of stabbing? Nope but in my hospital bed I will have the basic LOGIC of realizing that I was a DUMBASS for going alone in a dangerous part of town and I will take responsibility for that mistake, while the attacker must take responsibility for the crime.

That's what I'm saying and that's how it is. And no PC counter arguments from you or others will change these facts.

If you got stabbed and the perpetrator said it was your fault for being in a dangerous part of town, I highly doubt the judge or jury would accept that excuse.

Admittedly I don't know where you live or what the courts are like.



CrazyGamer2017 on 07 April 2018
RolStoppable said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I also said he must take responsibility for the CRIME of rape, didn't I, but again you are blind to that part.

And yes I said that she needs to take responsibility for the MISTAKE, I did not say crime, I said mistake because marrying an asshole that ends up raping you is EXACTLY the definition of the word, mistake.

If I shut down my computer right now cause you guys are kind of a pain to talk to (it's the middle of the night over here) and go out on foot towards a dangerous part of town and get stabbed, I MADE A MISTAKE, I could not know in advance I was going to get stabbed, yet I (not my neighbor, not the Pope, not the president but I, as in ME) made the MISTAKE of going alone, on foot to a dangerous part of town in the middle of the night. Am I to blame for the crime of stabbing? Nope but in my hospital bed I will have the basic LOGIC of realizing that I was a DUMBASS for going alone in a dangerous part of town and I will take responsibility for that mistake, while the attacker must take responsibility for the crime.

That's what I'm saying and that's how it is. And no PC counter arguments from you or others will change these facts.

This analogy doesn't work because you describe clear awareness of danger while in the case of marriage the danger is not known.

Really? You go out for a walk and you are supposed to know that you are going to get stabbed?

On the other hand, you marry someone you don't know well enough, yet you assume he's going to be perfect and nothing bad could possibly come out of him?

Assuming other people are dangerous is BASIC STUFF, it's everywhere. Why do you think my name is crazygamer and not my real name? why do you think my face, address, family names, place of work etc... do not appear on this forum? Why do you think YOUR name, address etc... do not appear in the forum? Why is the front door of your house locked when you are not home, possibly locked too when you are home? Because you DO ASSUME there is danger with other human beings and if you don't assume, and let your door open all day long or give all your info online and sooner or later something bad happens, you are not going to consider your MISTAKE as exactly that?

Same thing here, don't leave your door open, don't give your info online and if you do then take responsibility. NOT for the crime someone could commit against you but for the lack of good judgement of doing those things.

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AngryLittleAlchemist on 07 April 2018
fatslob-:O said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Wow .... you're 40 years old and you can't handle a debate because someone put a few casual insults your way? You won't read or respond to someones comment because it's "too aggressive" or insulting? Even something as tame as Berzerkertank's comment? 

You just don't want to have to argue with 40+ people and you found an easy way to squeeze out of one extra discussion. Nothing he said was even that offensive and you should be able to handle it. Maturity isn't about calling people kids or telling them to grow up while ironically complaining about them insulting you in the process. Being mature is about making actual valid points, and not bitching about random things in order to get out of a debate with someone. 

Nah, Berzerk was getting out of line but this is not for us to comment about mod issues and there's no need for this place to devolve into the youtube comment section ... 

Berzerk was getting out of line but let's call this what it is. It's a dude who goes around and makes outrageous claims on every thread that has even a tiny bit of political involved, says that other people can't handle free speech when they get mad at him, and then gets mad at others when they get even a tad offensive.

Of course Berzerk was "getting out of line", the site has pretty strict rules so that's a given. A mod already handled it though and trying to use that as an excuse for going out of a debate is intellectually lazy, specifically in this scenario where Berzerk was barely being rude at all. You'd have to be a light weight to bow down because of that comment.



CrazyGamer2017 on 07 April 2018
HomokHarcos said:

If you got stabbed and the perpetrator said it was your fault for being in a dangerous part of town, I highly doubt the judge or jury would accept that excuse.

Agreed. the crime would not be my fault, but the mistake would cause I should have known better than to wander in a dangerous part of town alone at night and on foot.