Let me try to use different words to explain what I am trying to say.

A woman marries a man, this man ends up raping her.

In my opinion the woman is guilty of having made a MISTAKE of marrying a guy she obviously did not know well enough to realize the guy is an asshole that for some illogical reason likes to rape a woman he CAN have sex with AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, the guy is GUILTY of the crime of raping the woman, HE IS to blame ok? HIS RESPONSIBILITY is the main one, as a rapist he commits a crime OK? HER responsibility is NOT a crime,it's a MISTAKE, the mistake of marrying an asshole she shouldn't have. To HIM I say, go to jail you filthy rapist, to her I say TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the mistake you made. Well I would not say that to her face, as it would be rude, I'm telling you guys here AS AN EXAMPLE, to make a point ok?

Now if this is not clear, then I give up, call me Hitler if you want, judge me and accuse me of destroying mankind if it makes you happy, I really don't know how to make my point any more clear and I don't care anyway. I am not backing down and my opinion is my own.

being married in a church and signing some papers to the government yes maybe is unnatural, but a man and a woman raising their kids for me it is whats its natural, normal and important to the development of society.

Couples having children out of wedlock is actually a good considering the divorce rate.Families created out of wedlock mean less emotional turmoil for everybody when breaking-up, no money for lawyers, and no alimony, all good things!

I have always thought that marriage was extremely outdated, I didn't want to get married myself, hell I didn't even want to be in a monogamous relationship, but I plan to enter politics one day so I had to let that go.

As for children born to single mothers.I am not ok with that since the negative impact that they might have on society is well known.

All in all, marriage nowadays(just like single parenthood, since most negative effects on their children disappear when the parent is well adjusted) is for affluent people only, so if you are planning on getting married and aren't educated and sufficiently wealthy just don't, unless you plan on trying really damn hard to make it work.

You want me to go more in-depth, brainlet? Because here we fucking go.

"No I don't understand it."
You're still a brainlet.

"Again, you don't marry some guy you met 5 minutes ago, you get to know people sometimes for years before marriage,"
Yeah, and people are capable of changing within those years. Sometimes it's incredibly apparent, surface level, and sometimes it can be deep, psychological changes, that not even the one changing is truly aware about.

"so if the guy is some freak who loves to force himself then you should have noticed and not married him."
That's true. HOWEVER, a notable amount of people are fully capable of hiding their true intentions when you first meet them. Years down the line, even. People that turn to rape are more than just wild animals that can barely keep themselves together in front of a piece of meat.

"Even from the guy's point of view this makes no sense to me. I understand rape as an act someone does cause there is NO other way to have sex with someone he fancies"
Holy shit why would you be understanding of rapists? If you want to have sex with someone that you're attracted to, you gotta fucking ask them first. If they say yes, then you're fine. If they say no, then don't go any further. And if you're married, unless you're in some open marriage type thing, you shouldn't be fucking people other than the person you married anyway!

"but raping his wife? It's the only person you can screw in a totally socially approved way, hell it's weird if you don't want to, so why would you want to rape someone you can have sex with pretty much any time?"
Yeah, that is a good question. Most of the time it happens is because they're not up for being screwed at every waking moment in life.

Jesus Christ, I hope you're just a Master Baiter, because there's no way someone should actually be this incredibly stupid.

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Warned ~ CGI

"Take responsibility for the mistake you made".

Again, you haven't explained what this means.

Still, you keep putting the responsibility on the woman. You are saying that you were an idiot for marrying this guy, even though he may have showed no signs of being someone who would rape you. You are saying that you made mistakes and that you are to blame for making the mistake of being with someone who would rape you.

If you don't see how this constitutes textbook victim blaming, I think that is on you at this point.

Yeah, buddy when you grow up and learn to debate without resorting to derogatory attacks, feel free to join the debate again, in the mean time, I don't feel like wasting my time explaining what I already did to someone who thinks he can vent his frustrations by calling people names.

Cheers mate.

I also said he must take responsibility for the CRIME of rape, didn't I, but again you are blind to that part.

And yes I said that she needs to take responsibility for the MISTAKE, I did not say crime, I said mistake because marrying an asshole that ends up raping you is EXACTLY the definition of the word, mistake.

If I shut down my computer right now cause you guys are kind of a pain to talk to (it's the middle of the night over here) and go out on foot towards a dangerous part of town and get stabbed, I MADE A MISTAKE, I could not know in advance I was going to get stabbed, yet I (not my neighbor, not the Pope, not the president but I, as in ME) made the MISTAKE of going alone, on foot to a dangerous part of town in the middle of the night. Am I to blame for the crime of stabbing? Nope but in my hospital bed I will have the basic LOGIC of realizing that I was a DUMBASS for going alone in a dangerous part of town and I will take responsibility for that mistake, while the attacker must take responsibility for the crime.

That's what I'm saying and that's how it is. And no PC counter arguments from you or others will change these facts.

At least I gave counter points to most of your arguments this time.

I fail to see how a lower population is bad.I am not sure if you are aware of this but the planet doesn't have the capacity to maintain our current rate of resource usage and considering that half the world's population live with less than $2.50 a day, I hope that you realize what would happen if everyone in the world had at least $50k a year to spend.The effects would be disastrous for the planet.Besides, we no longer need such huge populations, soon robots will take care of most manual stuff, and A.I. will take care of the rest, the only objective humans will have would be to enjoy life, but that can't be achieved with our current population unless you are hoping that space mining becomes a thing soon.

Probably true, I don't know I did not read what you said (I read until the insult, then I stopped) but I'll take your word for it.

Next time try not to include insults or derogatory attacks and then I will read what you say, agree or disagree but read it and from there we will be able to do a civilized thing called "debate". It's very interesting but only when people respect each other.