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David Hoggs personal vendetta is...

Justified. I support it. 44 57.89%
 
Unjustified. I don't support it. 26 34.21%
 
I'm unsure. 1 1.32%
 
Other, comments... 5 6.58%
 
Total:76
VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:
Hogg acted like a whiney brat running to mommy because someone called him a name. It's frustrating to live in a society where the weak feel empowered enough to punch up against those in power - and they dont even do it directly, they do it by proxy via their other no name followers. It goes against all natural law. She should use her wealth to go after him aggressively over the next few years, making his future career and relationships impossible. Teach him a lesson in respecting those in power and authority. Dont hit above your weightclass.

That makes sense to me, when you can't win via head-to-head combat of course you're going to try to go through unconventional means. And you want people to respect those in power and authority simply because they're in power and authority?

Because in nature, disrespecting those in power always ends badly to those without it and that's has been consistent throughout human history too. The only way to change your position in the equation is to get power yourself.  That has always been one of the primary rewards of working your way up in to a position of power. Now the masses have taken that away and distributed power to all those that never worked for it, nor had the ambition to strive for it. I believe those that worked their way up in to positions of power should be able to exert that power within a reasonable maximum and they certainly shouldn't be torn down by a mob of people without any authority. If you can't win head to head then don't fight - when you need to be a sneaky backstabber then you're in the wrong. The biggest, strongest, cunning and the most ruthless wins in nature.



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contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

That makes sense to me, when you can't win via head-to-head combat of course you're going to try to go through unconventional means. And you want people to respect those in power and authority simply because they're in power and authority?

Because in nature, disrespecting those in power always ends badly to those without it and that's has been consistent throughout human history too. The only way to change your position in the equation is to get power yourself.  That has always been one of the primary rewards of working your way up in to a position of power. Now the masses have taken that away and distributed power to all those that never worked for it, nor had the ambition to strive for it. I believe those that worked their way up in to positions of power should be able to exert that power within a reasonable maximum and they certainly shouldn't be torn down by a mob of people without any authority. If you can't win head to head then don't fight - when you need to be a sneaky backstabber then you're in the wrong. The biggest, strongest, cunning and the most ruthless wins in nature.

Yeah, but you can gain power without going head-to-head, in fact it's generally preferable, so you're simultaneously saying to get power yet denouncing ways of gaining power.



Hiku said:
contestgamer said:

I dislike this false idea of TV personalities representing any brand - they're not. They are famous with millions of viewers. The brand is paying to display themselves to those viewers. So what if the personality is a jerk? They're selling you access to viewers, and it's despicable IMO when brands pretend to have a moral conscience and pull their ads because a TV personality said something they dont like. Brands are amoral. They should shut up and keep paying to display themselves to audiences and stop making moral stands. I guarantee you that all these companies are doing morally questionable things by the truck load as a matter of doing business.

Oh, I agree that it's usually not about morals when it comes to money in large scales. But there's a difference between morality and how you want your brand to be represented.
Disney let go of a multibillion dollar deal with McDonalds, not because McDonalds did something bad per say, but because Disney didn't want to be associated with childhood obesity.
I don't think that was much of a morality decision, but rather a brand image decision.

Yeah, but this whole issue of brand image has become far more important in the past 2 decades and that's because of mob pressure like what Hoggs is exerting. That's the problem, we have a mob of people making buying decisions based on moral calculations instead of purely on product/value as it has been done in the past.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Because in nature, disrespecting those in power always ends badly to those without it and that's has been consistent throughout human history too. The only way to change your position in the equation is to get power yourself.  That has always been one of the primary rewards of working your way up in to a position of power. Now the masses have taken that away and distributed power to all those that never worked for it, nor had the ambition to strive for it. I believe those that worked their way up in to positions of power should be able to exert that power within a reasonable maximum and they certainly shouldn't be torn down by a mob of people without any authority. If you can't win head to head then don't fight - when you need to be a sneaky backstabber then you're in the wrong. The biggest, strongest, cunning and the most ruthless wins in nature.

Yeah, but you can gain power without going head-to-head, in fact it's generally preferable, so you're simultaneously saying to get power yet denouncing ways of gaining power.

You can try to gain power in whatever way possible and you dont do that by going up against someone in power directly UNTIL you yourself are already in power - backstabbing is wrong, but in the question for power it's all good. Hoggs is short cutting the process by going directly against someone in power he isnt equal to. He hans't climbed the ladder to do what he's doing. It's like a drunk woman that slaps a 6'1, 190lb man on the street and then gets knocked out. She got what she deserved, because she ignored the consequences of picking a fight with someone of a different level of power. Hoggs is doing this on a societal level and our culture and society is now encouraging it by taking away her ability to exert her power the way she could have in decades past to ruin him behind the scenes. 



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, but you can gain power without going head-to-head, in fact it's generally preferable, so you're simultaneously saying to get power yet denouncing ways of gaining power.

You can try to gain power in whatever way possible and you dont do that by going up against someone in power directly UNTIL you yourself are already in power - backstabbing is wrong, but in the question for power it's all good. Hoggs is short cutting the process by going directly against someone in power he isnt equal to. He hans't climbed the ladder to do what he's doing. It's like a drunk woman that slaps a 6'1, 190lb man on the street and then gets knocked out. She got what she deserved, because she ignored the consequences of picking a fight with someone of a different level of power. Hoggs is doing this on a societal level and our culture and society is now encouraging it by taking away her ability to exert her power the way she could have in decades past to ruin him behind the scenes. 

Well, considering all of the sponsors that dropped her following this it appears that he already had at least a certain degree of power.



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VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

You can try to gain power in whatever way possible and you dont do that by going up against someone in power directly UNTIL you yourself are already in power - backstabbing is wrong, but in the question for power it's all good. Hoggs is short cutting the process by going directly against someone in power he isnt equal to. He hans't climbed the ladder to do what he's doing. It's like a drunk woman that slaps a 6'1, 190lb man on the street and then gets knocked out. She got what she deserved, because she ignored the consequences of picking a fight with someone of a different level of power. Hoggs is doing this on a societal level and our culture and society is now encouraging it by taking away her ability to exert her power the way she could have in decades past to ruin him behind the scenes. 

Well, considering all of the sponsors that dropped her following this it appears that he already had at least a certain degree of power.

No, he exerted power without working for it. You should be wealthy, connected and able to ruin careers/lives before you start swinging that kind of power around. He's short cutting the process ad ruining the advantages that those in power have enjoyed for decades now.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

You can try to gain power in whatever way possible and you dont do that by going up against someone in power directly UNTIL you yourself are already in power - backstabbing is wrong, but in the question for power it's all good. Hoggs is short cutting the process by going directly against someone in power he isnt equal to. He hans't climbed the ladder to do what he's doing. It's like a drunk woman that slaps a 6'1, 190lb man on the street and then gets knocked out. She got what she deserved, because she ignored the consequences of picking a fight with someone of a different level of power. Hoggs is doing this on a societal level and our culture and society is now encouraging it by taking away her ability to exert her power the way she could have in decades past to ruin him behind the scenes. 

Well, considering all of the sponsors that dropped her following this it appears that he already had at least a certain degree of power.

Among Hippos, only the biggest, strongest male can wield power and it works the same way with most mammalian species. For people that historically equated to those with the most money and connections to other people in power being able to wield over others. That's natural.



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, considering all of the sponsors that dropped her following this it appears that he already had at least a certain degree of power.

No, he exerted power without working for it. You should be wealthy, connected and able to ruin careers/lives before you start swinging that kind of power around. He's short cutting the process ad ruining the advantages that those in power have enjoyed for decades now.

And was do you mean by working for it? He obviously had to do something to get this amount of attention.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

No, he exerted power without working for it. You should be wealthy, connected and able to ruin careers/lives before you start swinging that kind of power around. He's short cutting the process ad ruining the advantages that those in power have enjoyed for decades now.

And was do you mean by working for it? He obviously had to do something to get this amount of attention.

Gain wealth and build connections with other wealthy people in positions of power. If you can't fire people, control their careers (directly, not via some mob) and control politicians via direct donations then you don't have power.



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, considering all of the sponsors that dropped her following this it appears that he already had at least a certain degree of power.

Among Hippos, only the biggest, strongest male can wield power and it works the same way with most mammalian species. For people that historically equated to those with the most money and connections to other people in power being able to wield over others. That's natural.

But why is any of this a problem? Your argument seems to be fundamentally traditionalist, disparaging change just because it is different, but there is no ethical foundation to the power of money. In fact, shouldn't morals hold a stronger ethical core than money?

Who cares what is "natural"?