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Which one was better?

Super 59 79.73%
 
GT 15 20.27%
 
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DAXFM on 26 March 2018
irstupid said:
DAXFM said:

 

Cof cof Goku SSvs Freezer (Namek) cof cof

cof cof  Buu vs Gotenks SSJ 3 cof cof

DB does not know what is the time

It's spelt "cough" fyi. Took me a bit to figure out what you were saying.

But how about we not do those arguments were you argue something isn't bad because something else is bad.

Edit: BTW I'll give the Namek more leeway. The planet is going to blow in ~5 minutes. It's not a strict deadline. It could blow in 1 minute or 30 minutes. Hardly super science involved in when a planet blows when an energy blast is shot at its core. Compare that to Super's strict tournament lasting X minutes long. Be like a basketball game deciding to have its quarter be 30 minutes long instead of 12. You can't just do that. I don' recall the Gotenks part.

Sorry in my country is "Cof" (the sound of cough)

C´mon, it is a Anime, A Dog is the president of the world!. don't care the Time.

 

Buu vs Gotenks:  When buu leaves the hyperbolic time chamber, the time elapses in the same same between reality and the time room. buu ate the people and then Gotenks arrived



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Carl on 26 March 2018

GT has no redeeming features beyond Vegeta's 'stache.



                            

pastro243 on 26 March 2018
Hiku said:

Although the first 28 episodes or so of Super were garbage. Better to just watch the two movies movie and skip that part.
It got really good from the Future Trunks arc and onward.
And especially when Yuya Takahashi animated the episodes, inspired by DBZ's artstyle. That was a godsend to the series.

I was very happy to see the drawings in those parts. I watched Z and some episodes had very good drawings and I missed those a lot, I even thought we would never have them back as the redrawings of certain scenes by official media were worse than the originals and had taken a different style.

I remember when those episodes aired I even took screenshots and posted them on social media as I was happy for the drawing lol 



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Arminillo on 26 March 2018

GT did not commit character assassination on the majority of its supporting cast.

GT did not omit an entire transformation for funsies.

GT brought Cell back even though hes "hard to draw"

GT did Android 17 first.

GT had the better fusion.

GT aged Trunks and Goten.

GT had new transformations that actually made sense.

I was always of the belief that GT is the SW Prequels of DB. Fantastic idea, bad execution.



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Proxy-Pie on 26 March 2018

Super is probably better as a whole, but the Baby arc is better than any individual Super arc.



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pastro243 on 27 March 2018
Hiku said:
pastro243 said:

I was very happy to see the drawings in those parts. I watched Z and some episodes had very good drawings and I missed those a lot, I even thought we would never have them back as the redrawings of certain scenes by official media were worse than the originals and had taken a different style.

I remember when those episodes aired I even took screenshots and posted them on social media as I was happy for the drawing lol 

Yeah. I took a lot of screenshots as well. There are some gorgeous still frames in the parts of the episodes that he animated.
Interesting story about this. The lead animation supervisor of Super is the same guy who was known for this kind of artstyle in the later parts of Z.

But for Super, his style changed dramatically, and every other animator working under him sort of conformed to this softer look of the character models. Even Yuya Takahashi did. Until later on in Super, when he started posting sketches on twitter where he was testing out various older artstyles from DB and DBZ.


The one he ended up sticking to was his boss' old style from Z:

And after he used this style in some of the more expensive episodes in the series (Parts of Goku vs Jiren in 110, Goku vs Caulifla & Kale, etc) people loved it, and so Toei made the right choice in bringing him back for the series finale.

But it's a bit ironic that he got so popular for using his boss' old style. I wonder how he feels about that.

I didn't know all that! looking now at some scenes and drawings from DBZ I see that the ones I like were Masunaga (Like the bigger iris, those shaders in the faces and highly detailed) and Shimanuki (specially from the end of dragon ball and until Frieza arc)

I asume Takahashi tried to imitate the first one and I'm really glad he did, the other two seem like they forgot how to draw or simply got lazy lol 

(I also noticed the new movie seems to be using a style which favors movement over detail and I'm also looking up to what they will do with that. I expect to see good sakuga animation which I haven't seen much in DB) 

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Hynad on 27 March 2018
Arminillo said:


1- GT did not omit an entire transformation for funsies.

2- GT aged Trunks and Goten.

1- Which transformation do you speak of? Great ape? They didn't omit it. Both Vegeta and Goku got rid of their tail.

2- Unlike GT, Super takes place mere months after the defeat of Majin Buu. Why would they age Goten and Trunks?

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Arminillo on 27 March 2018
Hiku said:
Arminillo said:

1. What do you mean by character assassination? And regarding which characters and in what way? Because for the first arc of GT, aside from Goku and Trunks, every other character from the previous series was practically non existent. And when they were brought back into the story, it was mainly just to be taken over by Baby after one fight. Or aside from Vegeta, putting up rather meaningless attempts at resistance against Omega Shenron. At least the participants in the Tournament of Power were given moments to shine and contributed with something meaningful.

2. Which transformation? Oozaru (Great Ape)? It ran it's course through the original Dragonball, and beginning of Z. Though Super is not over, and it appears the enemy of the upcoming movie has an Oozaru transformation.

1. Videl was lobotomized in Super, Vegeta turned into a wuss, Tien never stopped training yet is a stick now, Goku was almost as bad as Buu in just becoming a force of nature rather than a sentient being with a conscience.

 

2. Super Sayian 3. Basically showed up once and then skipped forever after.



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Arminillo on 27 March 2018
Hynad said:
Arminillo said:


1- GT did not omit an entire transformation for funsies.

2- GT aged Trunks and Goten.

1- Which transformation do you speak of? Great ape? They didn't omit it. Both Vegeta and Goku got rid of their tail.

2- Unlike GT, Super takes place mere months after the defeat of Majin Buu. Why would they age Goten and Trunks?

Which removes any and all stakes from the entirety of Super. At the same time, taking place months after Buu's defeat makes for a very strange account of time. Gohan was 18ish during Buu Saga, he also apparently knocked up Videl during Buu saga and immediately became a scholar after graduation, and in those few months forgot how to use mystic or go super sayian.



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Darc Requiem on 27 March 2018
Arminillo said:
GT did not commit character assassination on the majority of its supporting cast.
What supporting cast. GT was all about Goku. If you weren't Goku, you were useless. People jokingly refer to it as "Goku Time"
GT did not omit an entire transformation for funsies.
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
GT brought Cell back even though hes "hard to draw"
I find it funny that you bring up character assassination in your first complaint and then have the nerve to bring up GT Cell. 
GT did Android 17 first.
DBZ did Android 17 first.
GT had the better fusion.
Fusion is one of the reason GT was so bad. They made the antagonists so strong to account for fusion, it made a single powerful fighter borderline worthless near the end. They had to fuse into Gogeta do so something a single fighter would have been able to accomplish previously. Fusion is one of the reasons the Buu Arc in DBZ was the weakest part of the series. GT took that terrible concept and ran with it.
GT aged Trunks and Goten.
GT had a time gap. Super did not. GT also botched Pan and Bra. Pan is supposed to be 10 and Bra is supposed to be 9. Couldn't tell that in GT though. Bra in particular was presented as teenager. Given how sales mature slower than humans. It makes even less sense. You have group of guys cat calling Bra on the highway. It's creepy when she's drawn a 14 years old. It really sick when you realize she's suppose to be 9.
GT had new transformations that actually made sense.
Since when does Goku putting on Chi Chi's red fur coat and her mascara make sense? Why is Gogeta's hair Red for no reason? 
I was always of the belief that GT is the SW Prequels of DB. Fantastic idea, bad execution.

I'll agree to disagree on GT being a fantastic idea. I'll agree on it have terrible execution.  It was just poor concept to begin with. It threw out virtually the entire supporting cast to focus on Kid Goku. It was very sad and pale imitation of Dragon Ball with none of the charm, humor, or good story telling. No only that, it basically made the entire supporting cast meaningless. 

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