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shikamaru317 said:
VGPolyglot said:
That mock-up makes it seem like the trigger buttons would be right under the screen and thus inaccessible.

At the angle you'd typically have a clamshell screen at while playing they'd be accessible.

It's hard to tell where it would even intersect from the pics.



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Conina said:
Kwaidd said:

Basically what you guys are asking for is a totally different (2nd) Nintendo console... no, just additional form factors which can play the same games and which will reduce hardware costs and can therefore reach different customer circles

and if Nintendo ever decides to deliver that type of product again, it can't be "Switch". Switch was purposefully designed and made to be exactly what it is, a hybrid console.  If it doesn't do both, it's not a Switch.  They bet big on this form factor, and it is paying off in spades.

Not everyone who wants to buy and play Switch games also wants to switch between different playstyles. Neither does any Switch game expects that the player(s)  switch from TV mode to handheld mode while playing, the players have free choice about their playstyle. No forced playstyle like some Wii U gamews (NOW look at the tablet screen... NOW look at the TV screen... NOW look at the tablet screen again...)

That freedom also means that some people who always want to play in TV mode or who always want to play in handheld mode have to pay for expensive features they don't need. Why don't give them a low cost option without the hardware they don't need? And if they later change their mind, they can SWITCH to the full experience by upgrading with accessories (which are very profitable to Nintendo).

  There is no reason for them to deviate from this, and I don't see Nintendo going back to a standard box console for a couple generations, if ever.  There may be some slight chance of having a dedicated handheld successor to DS...but that would undermine their efforts to have unified development teams and streamlining their delivery of software

No, a cheaper Switch TV box or a smaller/cheaper Switch Lite wouldn't undermine their efforts of unified development... they would play the same Switch games and there wouldn't be any additional software development costs. All Switch games have to support docked and undocked mode anyways... it doesn't matter if there are hardware revisions on the market which (initially) only support one of these modes.

, so I honestly do not see them going that route either.  Switch is quite easily portable... but a new revision could be even better portable and/or have a better battery life. Progress and enhancements aren't evil. They even enhance the longevity of a platform.

...and it has the power to play home console games.  Why would anyone want a smaller form factor (and thus weaker hardware) that would not be able to play home console quaIity titles just for the sake of being slightly smaller? 

A smaller form factor doesn't automatically mean weaker hardware! There is a constant progress of hardware efficiency, especially in mobile space. Why not use that progress in later revisions? And nobody wants (or suggested) weaker hardware for a smaller Switch revision!

That's going backwards instead of moving forward, imo.  I believe with the success of this form factor, this is the direction Nintendo will stay with for quite some time.  Alongside their unique software, it is what differentiates them from the competition and makes them relevant in the industry.  A standard box or another weak handheld is not enough for them to succeed anymore.

It's ironic that some Switch fans are strictly against some options and choice in Switch hardware (Switch TV, Switch handheld additionally to the Switch hybrid) while praising the options and choice of the Switch in playstyles, which helped making the Switch to a success.

Switch doesn't need additional form factors to cater to different people, when one unit covers everyone.  Switch has a very simple and strong marketing message.  All new skus would do is provide a healthy dose of unnecessary consumer confusion, and for what purpose?  To offer a small percentage of people a potentially cheaper option that doesn't do what the Switch was designed for in the first place?  When people line up in droves to buy the newest $500. plus smart phone on a yearly basis, how much cheaper than $299.usd does a video game console need to be that will have a 5 year lifespan?

"Not everyone who wants to buy and play Switch games also wants to switch between different playstyles."

That is the beauty of the concept as it stands.  You buy one unit, and it can either be your portable 100% of the time, or it can be a stationary console 100% of the time.  Or, amazingly enough...as die hard as one might be to one way or the other, if they got a little crazy one day, they can do the opposite and all the hardware they need to do it is already provided in the box.  The unit having the ability to be a hybrid, gives that freedom, and the software doesn't force the player to switch between play styles.

I do not deny the plausability of a revision in hardware as far as power efficiency and/or improved battery, or maybe even more built in storage as those costs come down, but a revision in the form factor?  I don't see it happening.   A "more portable" Switch?  To what end, and for what purpose?  It's already small.  With the controllers attached, it fits inside a jean jacket pocket.  Who would honestly want that screen any smaller than it is?

To your last comment.  Praising the play options that Switch gives the consumer, and not praising the idea of 2 additional unnecessary skus, that confuses the main message and whole point of the system, and maybe saves a few consumers that actually want it that way $50-75...is not irony.




Nuvendil said:

A Switch that doesn't Switch wouldn't be like a 2DS.  It would be like a 3DS with one screen.

No. It wouldn't. 3DS games are designed to take full use of the dual-screens.

The Switch games are designed to leverage the mobile features or "switch" into a TV mode, thus the support has already been baked from day one to make a "Switch TV" completely and utterly viable, it will just operate in a "docked" mode 24/7.

Nuvendil said:

No it doesn't *have* to fit flush.  And the screen could be bigger.

Glad we agree.

Nuvendil said:

It would look ugly and clunky and make dock significantly larger

How would you know? Have you seen one in person?
How would it make the Dock larger?

Don't just throw out assertions like they are fact without anything to back them up.

Nuvendil said:

reducd the practicality of portability

Yeah. Not everyone gives a shit about Portability though.
Some people just want to lay in bed and play their gaming device, not climb Mount Everest with one.


Nuvendil said:

necessitate a whole new line of game cases

Why would the games need new cases? You aren't even making sense now.
It will still run the same Switch games.

Nuvendil said:

and make the unit less comfortable to hold in handheld but you *could*.

Or it could make it more comfortable, the size of your hands are NOT representative of everyone elses.

Nuvendil said:

Or they could stick to the current form factor and focus on eliminating bezels and upping resolution.

Or not.


Nuvendil said:

And dropping that slot reduced manufacturing costs.  What you propose would do the *opposite*.

And yet, still contradicts your prior point. - You are just trying to move the Goal Posts on this aspect.
Well. Those Goal Posts still haven't moved, try again.

Nuvendil said:
And my point was they have the whole Switch brand firmly built around one, single principle: it can switch between handheld and home console.

And the 3DS line was built firmly around one single principle: It can do 3D.
But that didn't stop Nintendo from releasing a re-branded variation called the 2DS did it? Exactly.

Nuvendil said:
I doubt they will deviate from that and looking at current sales it seems foolish to do so.

Are you making an assertion that sales would somehow decrease if Nintendo released a variation of the Switch that focuses on a different demographic with different/needs/wants/desires alongside the current Switch?

Because that would be an irrational statement unless you have evidence to backup your assertion?
 

Nuvendil said:
I'm just pointing out that they are unlikely to happen.

Whether they are likely to happen or not is ultimately irrelevant and thus inconsequential.
I was merely talking in Hypothetical's and what *I* want, not what you want.

Barkley said:

When they have trouble with supply? No, now is not the time to increase demand or increase the number of models. 

Depends on where they are supply constrained.
For example... With a Switch TV they can throw a cheap mechanical hard drive into the unit... So if the mobile Switch is held back by NAND production, the Switch TV wouldn't be.. So Nintendo can sell more hardware overall.


Kwaidd said:

Anyone who is pining for a "Switch Lite" or a "Switch TV" is plain and simple missing the whole point of what Switch is and why Nintendo made it.

Actually. You are missing the point. A Switch TV is what I want.
It doesn't matter if it happens or not. It's simply what I want.
If Nintendo doesn't offer me what I want, then they don't get a sale, it's really that simple.

I have wanted a Switch TV since the Switch wasn't rumored as the mobile NX, that desire hasn't changed in the last few years.

Kwaidd said:

Basically what you guys are asking for is a totally different (2nd) Nintendo console..

No. It is a variation of the current console, which Nintendo has done constantly over the last several mobile generations.

Kwaidd said:

and if Nintendo ever decides to deliver that type of product again, it can't be "Switch".

Then change the name. The 2DS wasn't called the 3DS you know for obvious reasons.

Kwaidd said:

Switch was purposefully designed and made to be exactly what it is, a hybrid console.

And because it's a "hybrid" it can be used exclusively mobile or exclusively stationary, thus Nintendo could release variations of either later on that caters to both as the functionality has been baked from the very beginning for games to take advantage of both.

Kwaidd said:

There is no reason for them to deviate from this, and I don't see Nintendo going back to a standard box console for a couple generations, if ever

Nintendo wouldn't be deviating though, the current Switch model doesn't stop being released onto the market because there are variations in the platform.
They are just offering more choices for more people.

Choice is not a bad thing you know, there should be more of it.

Kwaidd said:

Switch doesn't need additional form factors to cater to different people, when one unit covers everyone.

It doesn't cater to me though.
A 6.2" 720P display is garbage in 2018.

Kwaidd said:

All new skus would do is provide a healthy dose of unnecessary consumer confusion, and for what purpose?

People coped fine when you had heaps of DS and 3DS SKU's. Thus making your assertion baseless.




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Why the hell do I keep getting involved in discussions on this issue. Just forget I freaking said anything.

Edit: though I will say I meant game system cases, not cases for the games.  Sorry if that caused confusion though I am shocked that the logical conclusion wasn't to assume that's what I meant since it *immediately* followed a statemsnt concerning enlarging part of the Switch's design.



Pemalite said:
Either: Give me a larger, higher resolution screen. (Think 8+ inch, 1440P)
Or ditch all the mobile rubbish (Screen, Battery, Dock, Joycons etc') and give me a Switch TV.

Why would you want a 1440p screen if most games run at 720p on portable mode? Unless they significantly bump the specs, which would make it more expensive and defeat purpose.



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Honestly, it would be a huge missed opportunity to not have hardware revisions of the Switch. Every successful Nintendo system has had at least one; NES, SNES, Gameboy, GBA, DS, 3DS, Wii...

Hardware revisions can give a considerable sales boost by not only bringing in new customers but pushing existing customers to "upgrade". It doesn't necessarily have to remove to "Switch" feature either, there are a number of possible variations that retain this ability.



Wireless display is improving anyway, in a few years such technology could be supported on many tv's with very little lag. A Switch lite would simply have a chipset that could broadcast its display. In the same way as wii u to its gamepad, short range high bandwidth. At worst you'd have a little box that plugged into a hdmi port that could be an optional purchase.

So many possibilities for revisions with the Switch. No doubt a 1080p screen version will come about at some point that offers docked performance while portable and I'm hoping for a Switch that slides into a VR visor for VR games maybe based on a future generation of Tegra that remains compatible with the original Switch.

I personally do consider the Switch currently too large with poor battery runtime. I feel the size and runtime was dictated by the current chipset. The current Switch is almost a prototype design being based on a off the shelf chipset with no customisation. I'm sure just like previous designs there is a properly customised design coming soon that makes optimal use of the silicon space.. Currently 4 of the CPU's are completely disabled on Switch which is wasted space in the silicon. They could use that space to put in circuitry currently on seperate chips, wifi processing etc. I'm sure the next revision will be using a cooler running later fabrication process, 14nm/16nm or better. A fanless design seems likely especially if they don't reduce the Switch size.



Pemalite said:
Nuvendil said:

A Switch that doesn't Switch wouldn't be like a 2DS.  It would be like a 3DS with one screen.

No. It wouldn't. 3DS games are designed to take full use of the dual-screens.

The Switch games are designed to leverage the mobile features or "switch" into a TV mode, thus the support has already been baked from day one to make a "Switch TV" completely and utterly viable, it will just operate in a "docked" mode 24/7.

Nuvendil said:

No it doesn't *have* to fit flush.  And the screen could be bigger.

Glad we agree.

Nuvendil said:

It would look ugly and clunky and make dock significantly larger

How would you know? Have you seen one in person?
How would it make the Dock larger?

Don't just throw out assertions like they are fact without anything to back them up.

Nuvendil said:

reducd the practicality of portability

Yeah. Not everyone gives a shit about Portability though.
Some people just want to lay in bed and play their gaming device, not climb Mount Everest with one.


Nuvendil said:

necessitate a whole new line of game cases

Why would the games need new cases? You aren't even making sense now.
It will still run the same Switch games.

Nuvendil said:

and make the unit less comfortable to hold in handheld but you *could*.

Or it could make it more comfortable, the size of your hands are NOT representative of everyone elses.

Nuvendil said:

Or they could stick to the current form factor and focus on eliminating bezels and upping resolution.

Or not.


Nuvendil said:

And dropping that slot reduced manufacturing costs.  What you propose would do the *opposite*.

And yet, still contradicts your prior point. - You are just trying to move the Goal Posts on this aspect.
Well. Those Goal Posts still haven't moved, try again.

Nuvendil said:
And my point was they have the whole Switch brand firmly built around one, single principle: it can switch between handheld and home console.

And the 3DS line was built firmly around one single principle: It can do 3D.
But that didn't stop Nintendo from releasing a re-branded variation called the 2DS did it? Exactly.

Nuvendil said:
I doubt they will deviate from that and looking at current sales it seems foolish to do so.

Are you making an assertion that sales would somehow decrease if Nintendo released a variation of the Switch that focuses on a different demographic with different/needs/wants/desires alongside the current Switch?

Because that would be an irrational statement unless you have evidence to backup your assertion?
 

Nuvendil said:
I'm just pointing out that they are unlikely to happen.

Whether they are likely to happen or not is ultimately irrelevant and thus inconsequential.
I was merely talking in Hypothetical's and what *I* want, not what you want.

Barkley said:

When they have trouble with supply? No, now is not the time to increase demand or increase the number of models. 

Depends on where they are supply constrained.
For example... With a Switch TV they can throw a cheap mechanical hard drive into the unit... So if the mobile Switch is held back by NAND production, the Switch TV wouldn't be.. So Nintendo can sell more hardware overall.


Kwaidd said:

Anyone who is pining for a "Switch Lite" or a "Switch TV" is plain and simple missing the whole point of what Switch is and why Nintendo made it.

Actually. You are missing the point. A Switch TV is what I want.
It doesn't matter if it happens or not. It's simply what I want.
If Nintendo doesn't offer me what I want, then they don't get a sale, it's really that simple.

I have wanted a Switch TV since the Switch wasn't rumored as the mobile NX, that desire hasn't changed in the last few years.

Kwaidd said:

Basically what you guys are asking for is a totally different (2nd) Nintendo console..

No. It is a variation of the current console, which Nintendo has done constantly over the last several mobile generations.

Kwaidd said:

and if Nintendo ever decides to deliver that type of product again, it can't be "Switch".

Then change the name. The 2DS wasn't called the 3DS you know for obvious reasons.

Kwaidd said:

Switch was purposefully designed and made to be exactly what it is, a hybrid console.

And because it's a "hybrid" it can be used exclusively mobile or exclusively stationary, thus Nintendo could release variations of either later on that caters to both as the functionality has been baked from the very beginning for games to take advantage of both.

Kwaidd said:

There is no reason for them to deviate from this, and I don't see Nintendo going back to a standard box console for a couple generations, if ever

Nintendo wouldn't be deviating though, the current Switch model doesn't stop being released onto the market because there are variations in the platform.
They are just offering more choices for more people.

Choice is not a bad thing you know, there should be more of it.

Kwaidd said:

Switch doesn't need additional form factors to cater to different people, when one unit covers everyone.

It doesn't cater to me though.
A 6.2" 720P display is garbage in 2018.

Kwaidd said:

All new skus would do is provide a healthy dose of unnecessary consumer confusion, and for what purpose?

People coped fine when you had heaps of DS and 3DS SKU's. Thus making your assertion baseless.

You can already play Switch on TV. The point of the Switch is that you can do both TV play and portable play.

If the Switch doesn’t cater to you because it isn’t exactly the same as PS4 and XBone, then that’s your problem. It’s a different kind of product.

Also, 2DS is a silly example - it was in response to all the health hazard warnings toward children of the 3D on 3DS, so they made 2DS as an entry level handheld for children ages 6 and under; it was a special case. You’re basically comparing your plight to that of a 6 year old child whose parents won’t let them play the latest Pokemon.

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At first, I was in disagreement with OP just because I don't think a new sku nis required this year. then I saw a post suggesting that amount ofmportability is not needed any more, and now I am on OPs side, at least from a high level. I do not think Sony or MS have it in them, but Nontendo has perhaps left the portable market open to invasion with Switch. it is portable, but not a con enient "stick it in your pocket" level of portable which has its advantages especially for school kids or folks doing a casual trip that do not want to haul a switch.

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NoirSon said:
flashfire926 said:
This, by definition is not a switch if it cant dock.

True 

 True only if you think it would be using the old dock, but the clam-shell design would be coming with its own dock. To summarize - with the clam-shell closed the (portable) console would slide in its own(new) dock.