Flilix said:
o_O.Q said:
"'Flying' is not the charasteristic that defines birds"
really? so lets say i gather 100 people and ask them to name a flying animal... what do you suppose the answer would be for 99% of them
now flying is not the main characteristic of birds sure, there are others such as being covered in feathers as opposed to fur, for example
Yes, really. As long as there's at least one flying creature that isn't a bird, and as long as there's at least one bird that can't fly; flying is not a charasteristic of birds. By the way, the vast majority of flying species aren't even birds.
"The dinstiction between animal classes is made by multiple charasteristics. These are selected in the most logical way possible, but they're still artificial."
so humans caused birds to grow wings? and fish to grow scales? are you fucking trolling?
I don't know how you could possibly have concluded that out of what I wrote.
" 'not being able to fly' is not a charasterictic of mammals"
yes but giving birth to live young is...
Platypus don't give birth to living youngs, yet they're mammals. Do you start to notice how complex and random these divisions are sometimes?
" However, all the other mammals would still be the same."
yeah... does this make a lion a cannibal when it eats a gazelle?
The idea of 'cannibalism' is just as artificial as 'species'. The definition of cannibalism is: 'the practice of eating the flesh of one's own species'. Lions and gazelles are not considered to be the same species. Therefore, it's not cannibalism.
"Living creatures aren't inherently divided into strict groups."
so why don't tuna, elephants, lions and flamingos all swim in schools?
Because 'swimming in schools' is not an inherently good reason to consider a certain creature to be a different species. I have blue eyes, other people have brown eyes, why aren't we considered to be different species?
Mind you, I already said that scientists always attempt to make divisions as logical as possible. Of cource the ability to swim is a more logical reason for a division that the eyecolour. However, there's no way to strictly determine which reason is better than others.
"Scientists made these groups up"
scientists categorise and label phenomenon THAT ALREADY EXIST when it comes to biology
Nope.
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"As long as there's at least one flying creature that isn't a bird, and as long as there's at least one bird that can't fly; flying is not a charasteristic of birds."
lol ok
there've been people born with 8 limbs... would you as a result say that being bipedal is, therefore, not a characteristic of human beings?
"I don't know how you could possibly have concluded that out of what I wrote."
you said that the characteristics we use to categorise are artificial, the labels may be, but obviously not the characteristics themselves, or was that what you were saying? if so i apologise
"Platypus don't give birth to living youngs, yet they're mammals. Do you start to notice how complex and random these divisions are sometimes?"
i do but you don't, is your argument not that the divisions do not exist at all?
"The idea of 'cannibalism' is just as artificial as 'species'."
so there's no difference between killing and eating a cow versus a human?
"However, there's no way to strictly determine which reason is better than others."
yeah i can tell you've got the whole "everything is subjective nothing is objective" thing going on
but regardless, if there are no inherent differences between animals why can't elephants swim in fish schools?
"scientists categorise and label phenomenon THAT ALREADY EXIST when it comes to biology
Nope."
really now, so what have scientists created as an example?