RolStoppable said:
Only because the USA sent back lots of illegal immigrants who all fell victim to the American way of eating. |
...or it could be what mexicans generally eat. Also, if the US limited welfare to just the people who need it, there would alot less fat people. 😏
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
DarthVolod said:
Did you read the article you linked? Here is a key detail:
So are we saying that 67% of Venezuelan companies were hacked now? Well I guess in a matter of speaking there were "hacked" to pieces by Chavez when he nationalized thousands of businesses and large segments of the economy (which is not what even his supporters expected).
What you are saying goes beyond misleading ... I think you are doing some incredible mental gymnastics here to justify the horrors that have been inflicted by an unambiguously socialist dictator.
Also I checked the US census data as an example. Total number of firms in the US from 1991 to 2008 ... as you can see there was not a drop of 67%.... https://www.census.gov/epcd/susb/1998/us/US--.HTM
Total firms (US)
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Yes, I guess I should have been a bit more specific. However, it does say that almost 50% of small businesses encounter it, and 50% of 60% is 30%, no small number. And if Chavez was "unambiguously" socialist, why would we even have so much debate? Also, you show numbers of the differences between corporations between those years (and that was 2008, 10 years ago which is a long time), but does it say how many of those companies from 1991 were still around in 2008?
DarthVolod said:
More like what's left of the private sector ... only 1/3 of the companies that were there as recently as 1999 still remain. Chavez and Maduro basically declared war on the private sector and only a small fraction of what it was remains. What little is left of the private sector will continue to fade away, just give them time. They are doing a fantastic job of running the country into the ground as quickly as they can. |
Between 1999 and 2011 the share of economy activity from the private sector rose from 65% to 71%. Also provided is an article from Fox News, which also talks about the private sector in the country and offers some more stats. Indeed the public sector was 30% of the GDP in Venezuela compared to 25% in Sweden.
Why Venezuela is in Crisis (The Nation)
What Socialism?... (Fox News)
I suggest you also read the articles in my reply to sc94597 to see how half baked Chavez's "socialism" was. Chavez was a socialist that ran a bloated social democracy that was bound to pop when a shock like 2014's oil crisis hit. He was still working within a capitalist framework and it doesn't matter what your personal ideology is because if you run a country just as poorly as Chavez then you're still going to crash the economy.
In fact, the last economic crisis in Venezuela happened in the mid 1990s while a neoliberal government was in power and it was caused by low oil prices and financial liberalization. Before that, Venezuela had another economic crisis in the 1980s, once again caused by an oil shock and neoliberal policies. Almost as if there's a common theme to all these crisis...
I think you realise this as well which is why you avoided answering my two questions in favour of making a point about the declining private sector in the country.
| Hiku said: This is pretty much entirely Maduro's fault for refusing to adjust their economy's dependence on oil after the oil crash in 2014. Instead he chose to have only his friends and allies benefit from the economy, while regular people are suffering in inhumane ways. Chavez probably shouldn't have made them as dependent on oil in the first place, but there was room for adjustments. |
Chavez did not make them dependent on oil because Venezuela has already been dependent on oil since the 1970s. His mistake was that during a pretty long oil boom he was not able to develop the country economically so it could sustain his welfare policies.
According to the website DolarToday, which tracks the real value of the Venezuelan bolívar against the U.S. dollar, the basic minimum wage of 248,000 bolivares is now worth just $0.95, equivalent to a shocking 0.59 cents ($ 0.0059) an hour.
Amid years of lavish spending under the late president Hugo Chávez and catastrophic economic mismanagement by his successor Maduro, rates of inflation are now the highest in the world, with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicting that it will reach 13,000 percent in 2018.
https://dolartoday.com/calculadora/
Nem said:
Funny that you say fat, because the US has one if not the highest fat index in the world. |
I was just going all out on the stereotypes since that's all you were dealing with.
| RolStoppable said: I suppose this is the consequence of socialism. |
Thats exactly what it is.
| RolStoppable said: I suppose this is the consequence of socialism. |
This.
It makes no sense to say that this is the result of oil. West Texas Crude is back above $65.00/barrel right now, but I suspect the situation for the Venezuelans will continue to deteriorate at an accelerated rate. That's because socialism empowers and protects the top 0.000001% and uses mind control and propaganda to turn the rest of the population into zombies who have no idea how corrupt their political leaders are or what kind of potential they have as a nation if only they had their basic freedoms. I am sure if you look at the homes of Venezuela's elite class, they live like royalty, it's the rest of the population who starve in poverty and are tricked into believing that government wealth "redistribution" is their only hope when in fact the taxes are really just government wealth expropriation.
It's really not that different than these Democrat strongholds in places like California whose political leaders live in homes that look like palace's while their electorate live in some of the most impoverished conditions in the country and only see their situation grow worse each year.
Illusion said:
This. It makes no sense to say that this is the result of oil. West Texas Crude is back above $65.00/barrel right now, but I suspect the situation for the Venezuelans will continue to deteriorate at an accelerated rate. That's because socialism empowers and protects the top 0.000001% and uses mind control and propaganda to turn the rest of the population into zombies who have no idea how corrupt their political leaders are or what kind of potential they have as a nation if only they had their basic freedoms. I am sure if you look at the homes of Venezuela's elite class, they live like royalty, it's the rest of the population who starve in poverty and are tricked into believing that government wealth "redistribution" is their only hope when in fact the taxes are really just government wealth expropriation. It's really not that different than these Democrat strongholds in places like California whose political leaders live in homes that look like palace's while their electorate live in some of the most impoverished conditions in the country and only see their situation grow worse each year. |
Exactly. It's pretty sad when you see some of these neighborhoods, especially in urban areas, where the quality of living is very low. The people that live there keep crying out for help, but they continue to feed on the same hateful rhetoric thrown out by the same politicians they blindly keep voting in. And they wonder why nothing improves.
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