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Are consoles more or less expensive in your country?

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DonFerrari said:
GOWTLOZ said:

I'm talking about brand new games. They cost $20 on Steam and $60 on PS4. That makes a huge difference to the cost of a console. $60 is 15 percentage the price of a console. 6 games at full price and software costs are near that of the hardware cost. PS Plus makes that go beyond the initial cost of the console.

And why do you think publishers focus a lot more on consoles??? Also most PC gamers from what I know releases for 40, main reason for the difference is the royalty for the platform holder and another chunk is the store profit (which for digital they keep the same price to not predate their own market). Still I fail to see your claim of Sony or any other console holder trying to screw their customer, as I said it's much more you wanting companies to please you individualy even if they would lose money.

PC games release at $20 in India. Yes, that includes physical release. Its called smart marketing, Valve understands that the average consumer in India are teenagers who can't afford $60 games and price games accordingly, and these publishers sell enough volume to make a profit out of that. That attracts people to PC gaming, apart from PC's being required everywhere in a country with millions of engineering graduates each year so all that being said, lowering console game prices would benefit Microsoft and Sony.



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GOWTLOZ said:
DonFerrari said:

And why do you think publishers focus a lot more on consoles??? Also most PC gamers from what I know releases for 40, main reason for the difference is the royalty for the platform holder and another chunk is the store profit (which for digital they keep the same price to not predate their own market). Still I fail to see your claim of Sony or any other console holder trying to screw their customer, as I said it's much more you wanting companies to please you individualy even if they would lose money.

PC games release at $20 in India. Yes, that includes physical release. Its called smart marketing, Valve understands that the average consumer in India are teenagers who can't afford $60 games and price games accordingly, and these publishers sell enough volume to make a profit out of that. That attracts people to PC gaming, apart from PC's being required everywhere in a country with millions of engineering graduates each year so all that being said, lowering console game prices would benefit Microsoft and Sony.

There is a very big difference between WOULD and COULD... unless you have evidence that by lowering the price from 60 to 20 they would have more profit then you are just making wishful thinking. Because while everyone have a PC, not everyone have a console and most don't buy games in volume enough. Even WW average ratio is 10 per gamer, so it would need to go above 30 per gamer just to keep even on REVENUE. Your math doesn't match, if it matched there wouldn't even be games lying around on the used bin on the stores... besides the fact that with prices at 60 several companies struggles to profit on several of their AAA games and another reason why they avoid PC gaming as a priority, Steam and Pirates take a very big hit on them compared to console.

Also, you know PS4 games are region free right? If they decided to drop the prices over there to 20 (and just to remember you, Sony is just one of the publishers on PS4, and all the publishers are free to set whatever price they want for the game) those games would flood the grey market in every single country making their margins erode.... and you probably also know that the microtransaction, DLC-galore and lootboxes are severely tied to the price of the games and sales (revenue with game launching at 60usd) not being enough to make the project profitable without these shenanigans?

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 09 April 2018

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

 

GOWTLOZ said:

PC games release at $20 in India. Yes, that includes physical release. Its called smart marketing, Valve understands that the average consumer in India are teenagers who can't afford $60 games and price games accordingly, and these publishers sell enough volume to make a profit out of that. That attracts people to PC gaming, apart from PC's being required everywhere in a country with millions of engineering graduates each year so all that being said, lowering console game prices would benefit Microsoft and Sony.

There is a very big difference between WOULD and COULD... unless you have evidence that by lowering the price from 60 to 20 they would have more profit then you are just making wishful thinking. Because while everyone have a PC, not everyone have a console and most don't buy games in volume enough. Even WW average ratio is 10 per gamer, so it would need to go above 30 per gamer just to keep even on REVENUE. Your math doesn't match, if it matched there wouldn't even be games lying around on the used bin on the stores... besides the fact that with prices at 60 several companies struggles to profit on several of their AAA games and another reason why they avoid PC gaming as a priority, Steam and Pirates take a very big hit on them compared to console.

Also, you know PS4 games are region free right? If they decided to drop the prices over there to 20 (and just to remember you, Sony is just one of the publishers on PS4, and all the publishers are free to set whatever price they want for the game) those games would flood the grey market in every single country making their margins erode.... and you probably also know that the microtransaction, DLC-galore and lootboxes are severely tied to the price of the games and sales (revenue with game launching at 60usd) not being enough to make the project profitable without these shenanigans?

They don't need to lower it by 66 percentage to make a big difference in perception. Lowering it to $40 liker the price of Devil May Cry HD Collection on PS4 would make people consider PlayStation. PS4 and its exclusives are making huge waves here and many PC gamers want to buy a PS4 just to play all its exclusives but they are holding back because of the prices of games at release. This is on top of the fact that Sony has several franchises that are already popular here like God of War and that are being held back from being as big as GTA, COD and FIFA because of these ridiculous prices of games and consoles. I know the ground reality, I stay here, I've been here all my life and I am a part of the small but growing gaming population so I understand their sentiments.

At $40 the issue of games being ported to other territories is laid to rest. They would cost a lot just to export making prices go over $60, not worth it for any of the major gaming territories. The prices of games is at that margin in Dubai but it doesn't make games cheaper here for those importing from Dubai and the games here are still cheaper in Japan but nobody from Japan buys games from here.



GOWTLOZ said:
DonFerrari said:

 

There is a very big difference between WOULD and COULD... unless you have evidence that by lowering the price from 60 to 20 they would have more profit then you are just making wishful thinking. Because while everyone have a PC, not everyone have a console and most don't buy games in volume enough. Even WW average ratio is 10 per gamer, so it would need to go above 30 per gamer just to keep even on REVENUE. Your math doesn't match, if it matched there wouldn't even be games lying around on the used bin on the stores... besides the fact that with prices at 60 several companies struggles to profit on several of their AAA games and another reason why they avoid PC gaming as a priority, Steam and Pirates take a very big hit on them compared to console.

Also, you know PS4 games are region free right? If they decided to drop the prices over there to 20 (and just to remember you, Sony is just one of the publishers on PS4, and all the publishers are free to set whatever price they want for the game) those games would flood the grey market in every single country making their margins erode.... and you probably also know that the microtransaction, DLC-galore and lootboxes are severely tied to the price of the games and sales (revenue with game launching at 60usd) not being enough to make the project profitable without these shenanigans?

They don't need to lower it by 66 percentage to make a big difference in perception. Lowering it to $40 liker the price of Devil May Cry HD Collection on PS4 would make people consider PlayStation. PS4 and its exclusives are making huge waves here and many PC gamers want to buy a PS4 just to play all its exclusives but they are holding back because of the prices of games at release. This is on top of the fact that Sony has several franchises that are already popular here like God of War and that are being held back from being as big as GTA, COD and FIFA because of these ridiculous prices of games and consoles. I know the ground reality, I stay here, I've been here all my life and I am a part of the small but growing gaming population so I understand their sentiments.

At $40 the issue of games being ported to other territories is laid to rest. They would cost a lot just to export making prices go over $60, not worth it for any of the major gaming territories. The prices of games is at that margin in Dubai but it doesn't make games cheaper here for those importing from Dubai and the games here are still cheaper in Japan but nobody from Japan buys games from here.

Do you think grey market use legal channels of import/export???

Also if you are price sensitive you can just wait for the price drop. There is a lot of self-entitlement on "they should put the price at a level I can pay so I can play at release or I won't even buy it 6 months after".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
GOWTLOZ said:

They don't need to lower it by 66 percentage to make a big difference in perception. Lowering it to $40 liker the price of Devil May Cry HD Collection on PS4 would make people consider PlayStation. PS4 and its exclusives are making huge waves here and many PC gamers want to buy a PS4 just to play all its exclusives but they are holding back because of the prices of games at release. This is on top of the fact that Sony has several franchises that are already popular here like God of War and that are being held back from being as big as GTA, COD and FIFA because of these ridiculous prices of games and consoles. I know the ground reality, I stay here, I've been here all my life and I am a part of the small but growing gaming population so I understand their sentiments.

At $40 the issue of games being ported to other territories is laid to rest. They would cost a lot just to export making prices go over $60, not worth it for any of the major gaming territories. The prices of games is at that margin in Dubai but it doesn't make games cheaper here for those importing from Dubai and the games here are still cheaper in Japan but nobody from Japan buys games from here.

Do you think grey market use legal channels of import/export???

Also if you are price sensitive you can just wait for the price drop. There is a lot of self-entitlement on "they should put the price at a level I can pay so I can play at release or I won't even buy it 6 months after".

This discussion isn't about me, as I've said so many times. Its about the populace in India. Don't just assume that I can't pay $60 upfront, that's not a lot of money for me but I'm financially stronger than most gamers. Its mostly 12 to 18 year olds who are into gaming in India, they are the ones in need of that price.

Grey market doesn't matter because the cost of shipping and import duties in countries still apply. At $40 that cost on top of the $40 would equate to the retail price of games in most countries anyways.



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GOWTLOZ said:
DonFerrari said:

Do you think grey market use legal channels of import/export???

Also if you are price sensitive you can just wait for the price drop. There is a lot of self-entitlement on "they should put the price at a level I can pay so I can play at release or I won't even buy it 6 months after".

This discussion isn't about me, as I've said so many times. Its about the populace in India. Don't just assume that I can't pay $60 upfront, that's not a lot of money for me but I'm financially stronger than most gamers. Its mostly 12 to 18 year olds who are into gaming in India, they are the ones in need of that price.

Grey market doesn't matter because the cost of shipping and import duties in countries still apply. At $40 that cost on top of the $40 would equate to the retail price of games in most countries anyways.

Grey market doesn't pay any import duties my friend.

People on the 12 and 18 are either making their parents buy or are pirating anyway because their income is 0, so even at 40 it would still be expensive for them anyway.

Very rarely I pay 60 usd for a game, except some very special exclusives the rest I buy 1 or even 4 years later for 10-20 range. Second hand market have allowed my collection to grow a lot.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
GOWTLOZ said:

This discussion isn't about me, as I've said so many times. Its about the populace in India. Don't just assume that I can't pay $60 upfront, that's not a lot of money for me but I'm financially stronger than most gamers. Its mostly 12 to 18 year olds who are into gaming in India, they are the ones in need of that price.

Grey market doesn't matter because the cost of shipping and import duties in countries still apply. At $40 that cost on top of the $40 would equate to the retail price of games in most countries anyways.

Grey market doesn't pay any import duties my friend.

People on the 12 and 18 are either making their parents buy or are pirating anyway because their income is 0, so even at 40 it would still be expensive for them anyway.

Very rarely I pay 60 usd for a game, except some very special exclusives the rest I buy 1 or even 4 years later for 10-20 range. Second hand market have allowed my collection to grow a lot.

Teenagers get pocket money. Some of them choose to spend it on games.



GOWTLOZ said:
DonFerrari said:

Grey market doesn't pay any import duties my friend.

People on the 12 and 18 are either making their parents buy or are pirating anyway because their income is 0, so even at 40 it would still be expensive for them anyway.

Very rarely I pay 60 usd for a game, except some very special exclusives the rest I buy 1 or even 4 years later for 10-20 range. Second hand market have allowed my collection to grow a lot.

Teenagers get pocket money. Some of them choose to spend it on games.

Yes, and they rather buy 5 pirate games than 1 original even if the original was 40 right? At least that is how teenagers are in Brazil. That wouldn't really increase Sony profit.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."