Final-Fan said:
DarthVolod said:
Democrat president and democrat majority senate, but republicans did control house at the time. Still nearly identical situation ... political grandstanding by opposition party to get their way even if it leads to government shutdown.
I was just pointing out to him that hypocrisy of putting all the blame on the republicans today when same thing happened 5 years ago. None of it means anything though like I said, US government is on autopilot and functions same even with a "shutdown".
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The comparison is pretty vacuous without context. For example, isn't it true that the shutdown was mostly engineered in the House, where Republicans were in charge? If so, calling them the "opposition party" is less accurate. Another important piece of information is which side is making demands, and what the demands are. In 2013, wasn't the major thing that Republicans wanted to change the status quo by ending Obamacare? And just recently, isn't the major thing that Trump wanted to change the status quo by building his wall? Oddly enough, I'm less confident about the recent one than the older one; I only paid cursory attention to it.
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In 2013 the Republicans were in majority of just the house while democrats held senate as well as the presidency. The original point I was responding to was the idea that 2018 Republican majority senate / house / president are supposed to capitulate to the demands of senate democrats in regards to DACA and chain migration / etc.
If the ruling party is supposed to just roll over and work it out with the opposition then why didn't democrats in 2013 who controlled the executive and half of the legislative branches of government care about republican demands? Ultimately, they were the ones in charge since Obama could just veto things at the end of the line.
Before going into the midterm republicans need more victories ... a border wall (Trump's key campaign promise no less) and an end to chain migration would be another win along side the tax reform that already passed. Giving the democrats DACA for nothing in return would be a terrible idea.