What is it going to take to restart the US Government after the shutdown, and what does it all mean?

[Final-Fan]

DarthVolod said:

Final-Fan said:

The comparison is pretty vacuous without context.  For example, isn't it true that the shutdown was mostly engineered in the House, where Republicans were in charge?  If so, calling them the "opposition party" is less accurate.  Another important piece of information is which side is making demands, and what the demands are.  In 2013, wasn't the major thing that Republicans wanted to change the status quo by ending Obamacare?  And just recently, isn't the major thing that Trump wanted to change the status quo by building his wall?  Oddly enough, I'm less confident about the recent one than the older one; I only paid cursory attention to it. 

In 2013 the Republicans were in majority of just the house while democrats held senate as well as the presidency. The original point I was responding to was the idea that 2018 Republican majority senate / house / president are supposed to capitulate to the demands of senate democrats in regards to DACA and chain migration / etc.

If the ruling party is supposed to just roll over and work it out with the opposition then why didn't democrats in 2013 who controlled the executive and half of the legislative branches of government care about republican demands? Ultimately, they were the ones in charge since Obama could just veto things at the end of the line. 

Before going into the midterm republicans need more victories ... a border wall (Trump's key campaign promise no less) and an end to chain migration would be another win along side the tax reform that already passed. Giving the democrats DACA for nothing in return would be a terrible idea. 

The thing is, in 2013 Republicans were specifically gunning for a shutdown.  They didn't want to look for a deal, they wanted to look for a showdown.  Their demand to kill Obamacare was much different from the Democrats' demand about DACA:  it's on a whole different order of magnitude.  It's closer to if the Democrats said "we are going to shut down everything unless you completely repeal the tax bill you just passed".  In fact, it's arguable that the Republicans back then deliberately picked an issue they knew the Democrats could never give in on to stage the battle over. 

On another note, since you are trying to look for parallels between that shutdown and this one, the Republican position in both cases was to change the status quo, while the Democratic position in both cases was to keep the status quo.