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PAOerfulone said:

 

And what was that made the 3DS so popular and do so well? Its exclusive games above all else, because the 3D gimmick certainly wasn't what attracted its userbase, it was Mario Kart, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Smash Bros., etc. You absolutely need exclusives to sell your hardware. Would the Switch be anywhere near as successful as it has been if it didn't have Breath of the Wild at launch? Or Mario Kart a month later? Or Splatoon 2 in the summer? Or Mario Odyssey right before the holidays? Those are 4 Huge First Party Nintendo titles from 3 of their biggest franchises that helped sell their new system. 

Also, of course the Xbox will have more exclusive games than the Switch does at launch, one system has been out for over 4 years, and the other has been out for 10 months, I would hope the Xbox has more exclusives at the moment, otherwise there's a serious problem.  And here's another thing, the Xbox One is competing directly with the PS4 and getting its ass kicked left, right, and center. Because the PS4 has a better, stronger, and more diverse exclusive library, to go along with all the 3rd parties that both systems share. So, why would I want to buy an Xbox One to play all these games, when I can buy a PS4 to get those same games, plus all these extra exclusives that they have over the Xbox One? 

The video game market is a momentum based market, and right now, Sony has all of the momentum on their side. How do you think the PS3 was able to make up the ground and pass the 360, despite launching one year later and being $200 more expensive? Exclusives. And damn good ones too. The PS3 had the same amount of 3rd party games the 360 did, but all Microsoft had as noteworthy exclusives were Halo, Gears of War, Kinect, Forza, and Fable. Meanwhile, Sony had Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid IV, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, InFamous, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, the list goes on. The PS3 had a bigger, more diverse, and critically acclaimed exclusive library than the 360, to go along with all the 3rd party games they shared. So, it ultimately didn't matter if Xbox was the "home" of Call of Duty during that generation, because Sony was able to build upon their exclusive library, making a more attractive all around library than the 360, and building more and more momentum in their favor until they eventually caught up with Microsoft and passed them. And that momentum continued into the launch of their successors and kept building in Sony's favor to the point that we are at now. The PS4 is a very distant first place at 70-75 million, while the Xbox One is a distant 2nd place at 30-35 million. 

Having great hardware and marketing establishes presence and gets your brand out there, but it's exclusives and first party games, great ones and lots of them, that push the hardware and your brand forward. Until Microsoft realizes that and really starts cracking down and busting out more exclusives and more first party titles in quantity, quality, and diversity, it'll be the same old song and dance when the next Xbox is trying to compete with the PS5. 

You just proved my point right. Didn't the 360 sell more than the PS3 for most of the generation with less exclusives? Was it because COD being the home to the 360? One of many giant 3rd party multiplat games found there home on the 360. Marketing big titles gets you the sales, not how many exclusives a system can dish out and only a handful being good ones.

Explain how the Xbox manage to outsell the PS4 this month with less exclusives? Must of been all those amazing exclusives they released huh?

Top 10 Best selling games on PS4 and only one of them is a PS4 1st party exclusive which is UC4 and that was also heavily bundled..  

LivingMetal said:

 

Not surprisingly wrong once again. Nintendo does not cater to a much larger audience. Nintendo caters to their fans with the gameplay and franchises that they want. And along with that most importantly is quality. This is why Nintendo continues to gain an audience generation after generation. You cater to your core audience and others will notice. Why do you think characters and franchises such as Mario, Yoshi, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Etc have all stood the test of time while all are Nintendo exclusives? This is why they are still in the console Hardware business because fans know what to expect from Nintendo  regardless of how well their Hardware sells.

Erm Nintendo does cater to a larger audience, not every 3DS owner is a Nintendo fan, its called the Portable market. Also Zelda and Mario Kart aren't even Switch Exclusives since there ports. So if you are going to count Zelda and MK8 as exclusive Switch games than might as well throw in every X1 Exclusive game that made it on PC.

The point here is the X1 came 2nd with the smallest library of 1st party games released in 2017 and it manage to beat PS4 which has a lot more games. The Switch with a much smaller library than both competitors came 1st. 

It doesn't matter if you have hundreds of 1st party games or 3 in 2017, you can outsell the competitor by clever marketing. 1st party games can help with marketing however all they really have to do is market GTA, COD, RDR2 etc and watch the sales benefit those with the marketing campaigns.

 

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Azzanation said:
PAOerfulone said:

And what was that made the 3DS so popular and do so well? Its exclusive games above all else, because the 3D gimmick certainly wasn't what attracted its userbase, it was Mario Kart, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Smash Bros., etc. You absolutely need exclusives to sell your hardware. Would the Switch be anywhere near as successful as it has been if it didn't have Breath of the Wild at launch? Or Mario Kart a month later? Or Splatoon 2 in the summer? Or Mario Odyssey right before the holidays? Those are 4 Huge First Party Nintendo titles from 3 of their biggest franchises that helped sell their new system. 

Also, of course the Xbox will have more exclusive games than the Switch does at launch, one system has been out for over 4 years, and the other has been out for 10 months, I would hope the Xbox has more exclusives at the moment, otherwise there's a serious problem.  And here's another thing, the Xbox One is competing directly with the PS4 and getting its ass kicked left, right, and center. Because the PS4 has a better, stronger, and more diverse exclusive library, to go along with all the 3rd parties that both systems share. So, why would I want to buy an Xbox One to play all these games, when I can buy a PS4 to get those same games, plus all these extra exclusives that they have over the Xbox One? 

The video game market is a momentum based market, and right now, Sony has all of the momentum on their side. How do you think the PS3 was able to make up the ground and pass the 360, despite launching one year later and being $200 more expensive? Exclusives. And damn good ones too. The PS3 had the same amount of 3rd party games the 360 did, but all Microsoft had as noteworthy exclusives were Halo, Gears of War, Kinect, Forza, and Fable. Meanwhile, Sony had Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid IV, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, InFamous, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, the list goes on. The PS3 had a bigger, more diverse, and critically acclaimed exclusive library than the 360, to go along with all the 3rd party games they shared. So, it ultimately didn't matter if Xbox was the "home" of Call of Duty during that generation, because Sony was able to build upon their exclusive library, making a more attractive all around library than the 360, and building more and more momentum in their favor until they eventually caught up with Microsoft and passed them. And that momentum continued into the launch of their successors and kept building in Sony's favor to the point that we are at now. The PS4 is a very distant first place at 70-75 million, while the Xbox One is a distant 2nd place at 30-35 million. 

Having great hardware and marketing establishes presence and gets your brand out there, but it's exclusives and first party games, great ones and lots of them, that push the hardware and your brand forward. Until Microsoft realizes that and really starts cracking down and busting out more exclusives and more first party titles in quantity, quality, and diversity, it'll be the same old song and dance when the next Xbox is trying to compete with the PS5. 

You just proved my point right. Didn't the 360 sell more than the PS3 for most of the generation with less exclusives? Was it because COD being the home to the 360? One of many giant 3rd party multiplat games found there home on the 360. Marketing big titles gets you the sales, not how many exclusives a system can dish out and only a handful being good ones.

Explain how the Xbox manage to outsell the PS4 this month with less exclusives? Must of been all those amazing exclusives they released huh?

Top 10 Best selling games on PS4 and only one of them is a PS4 1st party exclusive which is UC4 and that was also heavily bundled..  

LivingMetal said:

Not surprisingly wrong once again. Nintendo does not cater to a much larger audience. Nintendo caters to their fans with the gameplay and franchises that they want. And along with that most importantly is quality. This is why Nintendo continues to gain an audience generation after generation. You cater to your core audience and others will notice. Why do you think characters and franchises such as Mario, Yoshi, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Etc have all stood the test of time while all are Nintendo exclusives? This is why they are still in the console Hardware business because fans know what to expect from Nintendo  regardless of how well their Hardware sells.

Erm Nintendo does cater to a larger audience, not every 3DS owner is a Nintendo fan, its called the Portable market. Also Zelda and Mario Kart aren't even Switch Exclusives since there ports. So if you are going to count Zelda and MK8 as exclusive Switch games than might as well throw in every X1 Exclusive game that made it on PC.

The point here is the X1 came 2nd with the smallest library of 1st party games released in 2017 and it manage to beat PS4 which has a lot more games. The Switch with a much smaller library than both competitors came 1st. 

It doesn't matter if you have hundreds of 1st party games or 3 in 2017, you can outsell the competitor by clever marketing. 1st party games can help with marketing however all they really have to do is market GTA, COD, RDR2 etc and watch the sales benefit those with the marketing campaigns.

 

And not every Nintendo hardware owner is a Nintendo fan whether it's a console or a portable.  Still about the games.

As I mentioned in an earlier post:

"You cater to your core audience and others will notice."

It's a collateral effect.

Last edited by LivingMetal - on 12 January 2018

3sexty said:
LivingMetal said:

If Microsoft just announced that they sold more Xbox One units than PS4s while not acknowledging the Switch in those figures as an 8th gen console, it would make them look pretty petty and unprofessional to "pick a fight" with the PS4.

Yes very wrong indeed. Who the hell they think they are? Is there a department of fair online posting that we can complain to? Don't worry I'm onto it! 🤓

 

The wanna-be King of Consoles.  That's who they THINK they are.



trunkswd said:
nero said:
The global switch number went from 10.9 to 11.2 I see some adjustments are being made. Was it allowed for him to say the ranking? Why has Nintendo said nothing ??

Switch was adjusted up and PS4 adjusted down in North America with the new information released by Greenberg.

The numbers suggest:

PS4 : 1,300,000 
NSW: 1,450,000 
XB1: 1,375,000 

 

So I don't think you need to get to liberal with marking down the PS4, you may need to mark up the Xbox One and the Switch.  They are all within 150k.



CosmicSex said:
trunkswd said:

Switch was adjusted up and PS4 adjusted down in North America with the new information released by Greenberg.

The numbers suggest:

PS4 : 1,300,000 
NSW: 1,450,000 
XB1: 1,375,000 

 

So I don't think you need to get to liberal with marking down the PS4, you may need to mark up the Xbox One and the Switch.  They are all within 150k.

The gap between all three are the same.  Was this on purpose?



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LivingMetal said:
3sexty said:

Yes very wrong indeed. Who the hell they think they are? Is there a department of fair online posting that we can complain to? Don't worry I'm onto it! 🤓

 

The wanna-be King of Consoles.  That's who they THINK they are.

To be honest I don't think they really care enough about the console business. That's just some PR from their tiny obligatory entertainment department. Don't worry too much about it mate.



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3sexty said:
LivingMetal said:

The wanna-be King of Consoles.  That's who they THINK they are.

To be honest I don't think they really care enough about the console business. That's just some PR from their tiny obligatory entertainment department. Don't worry too much about it mate.

No probs here.  I do think that Microsoft intended to "take over the living room" as once discussed during the original Xbox days.  I'm thinking that they figured that it isn't as easy as it might have seen.



LivingMetal said:
DonFerrari said:
Why do MS have to do confusing announcements when it is about their X1 sales?

If Microsoft just announced that they sold more Xbox One units than PS4s while not acknowledging the Switch in those figures as an 8th gen console, it would make them look pretty petty and unprofessional to "pick a fight" with the PS4.

But that is kinda what they done on both tweet.

Azzanation said:
PAOerfulone said:

And what was that made the 3DS so popular and do so well? Its exclusive games above all else, because the 3D gimmick certainly wasn't what attracted its userbase, it was Mario Kart, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Smash Bros., etc. You absolutely need exclusives to sell your hardware. Would the Switch be anywhere near as successful as it has been if it didn't have Breath of the Wild at launch? Or Mario Kart a month later? Or Splatoon 2 in the summer? Or Mario Odyssey right before the holidays? Those are 4 Huge First Party Nintendo titles from 3 of their biggest franchises that helped sell their new system. 

Also, of course the Xbox will have more exclusive games than the Switch does at launch, one system has been out for over 4 years, and the other has been out for 10 months, I would hope the Xbox has more exclusives at the moment, otherwise there's a serious problem.  And here's another thing, the Xbox One is competing directly with the PS4 and getting its ass kicked left, right, and center. Because the PS4 has a better, stronger, and more diverse exclusive library, to go along with all the 3rd parties that both systems share. So, why would I want to buy an Xbox One to play all these games, when I can buy a PS4 to get those same games, plus all these extra exclusives that they have over the Xbox One? 

The video game market is a momentum based market, and right now, Sony has all of the momentum on their side. How do you think the PS3 was able to make up the ground and pass the 360, despite launching one year later and being $200 more expensive? Exclusives. And damn good ones too. The PS3 had the same amount of 3rd party games the 360 did, but all Microsoft had as noteworthy exclusives were Halo, Gears of War, Kinect, Forza, and Fable. Meanwhile, Sony had Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid IV, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, InFamous, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, the list goes on. The PS3 had a bigger, more diverse, and critically acclaimed exclusive library than the 360, to go along with all the 3rd party games they shared. So, it ultimately didn't matter if Xbox was the "home" of Call of Duty during that generation, because Sony was able to build upon their exclusive library, making a more attractive all around library than the 360, and building more and more momentum in their favor until they eventually caught up with Microsoft and passed them. And that momentum continued into the launch of their successors and kept building in Sony's favor to the point that we are at now. The PS4 is a very distant first place at 70-75 million, while the Xbox One is a distant 2nd place at 30-35 million. 

Having great hardware and marketing establishes presence and gets your brand out there, but it's exclusives and first party games, great ones and lots of them, that push the hardware and your brand forward. Until Microsoft realizes that and really starts cracking down and busting out more exclusives and more first party titles in quantity, quality, and diversity, it'll be the same old song and dance when the next Xbox is trying to compete with the PS5. 

You just proved my point right. Didn't the 360 sell more than the PS3 for most of the generation with less exclusives? Was it because COD being the home to the 360? One of many giant 3rd party multiplat games found there home on the 360. Marketing big titles gets you the sales, not how many exclusives a system can dish out and only a handful being good ones.

Explain how the Xbox manage to outsell the PS4 this month with less exclusives? Must of been all those amazing exclusives they released huh?

Top 10 Best selling games on PS4 and only one of them is a PS4 1st party exclusive which is UC4 and that was also heavily bundled..  

LivingMetal said:

Not surprisingly wrong once again. Nintendo does not cater to a much larger audience. Nintendo caters to their fans with the gameplay and franchises that they want. And along with that most importantly is quality. This is why Nintendo continues to gain an audience generation after generation. You cater to your core audience and others will notice. Why do you think characters and franchises such as Mario, Yoshi, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Etc have all stood the test of time while all are Nintendo exclusives? This is why they are still in the console Hardware business because fans know what to expect from Nintendo  regardless of how well their Hardware sells.

Erm Nintendo does cater to a larger audience, not every 3DS owner is a Nintendo fan, its called the Portable market. Also Zelda and Mario Kart aren't even Switch Exclusives since there ports. So if you are going to count Zelda and MK8 as exclusive Switch games than might as well throw in every X1 Exclusive game that made it on PC.

The point here is the X1 came 2nd with the smallest library of 1st party games released in 2017 and it manage to beat PS4 which has a lot more games. The Switch with a much smaller library than both competitors came 1st. 

It doesn't matter if you have hundreds of 1st party games or 3 in 2017, you can outsell the competitor by clever marketing. 1st party games can help with marketing however all they really have to do is market GTA, COD, RDR2 etc and watch the sales benefit those with the marketing campaigns.

 

Except that launch aligned PS3 were always ahead of X360 and considering same year ps3 also won most years against x360.



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CosmicSex said:

The numbers suggest:

PS4 : 1,300,000 
NSW: 1,450,000 
XB1: 1,375,000 

What suggest it?

Anyway, we already have a good vision of numbers.

XB1 sold 91% of Switch sales, PS4 72%, and 3DS 50%.

This mean the numbers are those i posted on ERA:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3196163/



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