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The_Liquid_Laser on 12 January 2018
habam said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I've looked at a lot of these videos.  From what I can tell PS3, XBox360 and Wii U belong in one category and PS4, XBox1 and Switch belong in another.  One clear factor is resolution.  Almost all games from the first group run at 720p while the second group runs at 1080p. 

Every generation I hear people bicker over these tiny details.  If you look closely the PS3 is slightly better than the XBox360.  Both consoles still got mostly the same games and the 360 sold more in the US at least.  Essentially these tiny details don't matter when you consider the types of games that a console can run.  Overall I'd agree that if you stare at the minutae you will see the Switch is a little weaker than PS4 or XBox1, but it still belongs in that category.  It is much better than PS3 or XBox360.

Sorry but that is just wrong.

 

1. We are comparing handheld performance. The switch’s max resolution in handheld mode is 720p, not 1080p. 

2. switch docked has 376 gflops, undocked 192 gflops. Ps3 and Xbox 360 had 240 gflops (but less ram and outdated architecture). Xbox one has 1250 gflops, ps4 has 1850. where on hell should the switch be more similar to the 8th gen lmao ?

 

the switch in docked mode can run some 7th gen game in 1080p. That’s it. In handheld mode it’s as powerful as the 7th gen. It’s not capable to run real 8th gen games like Witcher 3 at all. It’s even a big surprise they got doom running on sub 720p, unstable 30 FPS and lower then low settings. The game runs 900p-1080p 60fps high settings on the ps4. How is that a similar resolution lmao

 

the switch uses a 3 year old arm based mobile tablet soc that has (in docked mode) ~20% of the power of the ps4 and ~33% of the power of the Xbox one and ~170% of 7th gen power. 


I am not sure where you are getting your data from.  I did a search on the specs of the various consoles and this is what I came up with.  Now anyone viewing this post can decide if the Switch's capabilities are closer to PS3/Xbox360 or PS4/XBox1.

  PS3 XBox360 Wii U Switch XBox1 PS4
TeraFLOPS .230 .240 .352 1 1.31 1.843
% increase over PS3 0% 4% 53% 335% 470% 701%
RAM in GB .512 .512 2 4 8 8
% increase over PS3 0% 0% 291% 681% 1463% 1463%


Sources:
https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/console-gpu-power-compared-ranking-systems-by-flop/2900-1334/7/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/nintendo-switch-vs-ps4-and-xbox-one-2949935
http://www.ign.com/wikis/wii-u/Wii_U_Tech_Specs
https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps3-ram-vs-xbox-360-ram-26456612/



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Genos8 on 12 January 2018

I liked mario tennis, dark souls and ys. Looking forward to DQ XI and octopath. Indiferent to the other announcements except TWEWY remix, because it could mean a sequel in the future.



Genos8 on 12 January 2018
habam said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I've looked at a lot of these videos.  From what I can tell PS3, XBox360 and Wii U belong in one category and PS4, XBox1 and Switch belong in another.  One clear factor is resolution.  Almost all games from the first group run at 720p while the second group runs at 1080p. 

Every generation I hear people bicker over these tiny details.  If you look closely the PS3 is slightly better than the XBox360.  Both consoles still got mostly the same games and the 360 sold more in the US at least.  Essentially these tiny details don't matter when you consider the types of games that a console can run.  Overall I'd agree that if you stare at the minutae you will see the Switch is a little weaker than PS4 or XBox1, but it still belongs in that category.  It is much better than PS3 or XBox360.

Sorry but that is just wrong.

 

1. We are comparing handheld performance. The switch’s max resolution in handheld mode is 720p, not 1080p. 

2. switch docked has 376 gflops, undocked 192 gflops. Ps3 and Xbox 360 had 240 gflops (but less ram and outdated architecture). Xbox one has 1250 gflops, ps4 has 1850. where on hell should the switch be more similar to the 8th gen lmao ?

 

the switch in docked mode can run some 7th gen game in 1080p. That’s it. In handheld mode it’s as powerful as the 7th gen. It’s not capable to run real 8th gen games like Witcher 3 at all. It’s even a big surprise they got doom running on sub 720p, unstable 30 FPS and lower then low settings. The game runs 900p-1080p 60fps high settings on the ps4. How is that a similar resolution lmao

 

the switch uses a 3 year old arm based mobile tablet soc that has (in docked mode) ~20% of the power of the ps4 and ~33% of the power of the Xbox one and ~170% of 7th gen power. 

Those numbers are wrong AND gflops from nvidea aren't 1:1 with amd. Doom is a rushed port, the switch can run it better than that.



habam on 12 January 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said: 

I am not sure where you are getting your data from.  I did a search on the specs of the various consoles and this is what I came up with.  Now anyone viewing this post can decide if the Switch's capabilities are closer to PS3/Xbox360 or PS4/XBox1.

  PS3 XBox360 Wii U Switch XBox1 PS4
TeraFLOPS .230 .240 .352 1 1.31 1.843
% increase over PS3 0% 4% 53% 335% 470% 701%
RAM in GB .512 .512 2 4 8 8
% increase over PS3 0% 0% 291% 681% 1463% 1463%


Sources:
https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/console-gpu-power-compared-ranking-systems-by-flop/2900-1334/7/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/nintendo-switch-vs-ps4-and-xbox-one-2949935
http://www.ign.com/wikis/wii-u/Wii_U_Tech_Specs
https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps3-ram-vs-xbox-360-ram-26456612/

Your comparing FP 16 (Switch Wii U) Gflops to Fp 32 Gflops (PS4, Xbox One, Ps3, Xbox 360).

 

Also 1 Tflops in Fp16 is achieved by the Tegra X1 on 1 GHZ, the Switchs Tegra X1 runs ~760 MHZ docked and ~350MHZ undocked.

 

I do know its pretty hard to understand for people that dont know much about that stuff.

Here are some sources:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis

https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/19/the-nintendo-switch-could-be-twice-as-powerful-while-docked/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5urua3/explanation_of_flops_and_fp32_and_fp16/



habam on 12 January 2018
Genos8 said:
habam said:

Sorry but that is just wrong.

 

1. We are comparing handheld performance. The switch’s max resolution in handheld mode is 720p, not 1080p. 

2. switch docked has 376 gflops, undocked 192 gflops. Ps3 and Xbox 360 had 240 gflops (but less ram and outdated architecture). Xbox one has 1250 gflops, ps4 has 1850. where on hell should the switch be more similar to the 8th gen lmao ?

 

the switch in docked mode can run some 7th gen game in 1080p. That’s it. In handheld mode it’s as powerful as the 7th gen. It’s not capable to run real 8th gen games like Witcher 3 at all. It’s even a big surprise they got doom running on sub 720p, unstable 30 FPS and lower then low settings. The game runs 900p-1080p 60fps high settings on the ps4. How is that a similar resolution lmao

 

the switch uses a 3 year old arm based mobile tablet soc that has (in docked mode) ~20% of the power of the ps4 and ~33% of the power of the Xbox one and ~170% of 7th gen power. 

Those numbers are wrong AND gflops from nvidea aren't 1:1 with amd. Doom is a rushed port, the switch can run it better than that.

they arnt, see post above.

Also a flop is always a flop, no matter which card runs it. But Gflops doesnt translete 1:1 into gaming performance, still best way to compare performance of devices.

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Genos8 on 12 January 2018
habam said:
Genos8 said:

Those numbers are wrong AND gflops from nvidea aren't 1:1 with amd. Doom is a rushed port, the switch can run it better than that.

they arnt, see post above.

What I said has no relation to the post you mentioned and doom is still a really bad example. DQ XI will probably serve as a better ruler.



habam on 12 January 2018
Genos8 said:

What I said has no relation to the post you mentioned and doom is still a really bad example. DQ XI will probably serve as a better ruler.

If you think so you are most likely just not capable to understanding those pretty complex stuff, which is no problem btw, most people dont. 



Genos8 on 12 January 2018
habam said:
Genos8 said:

What I said has no relation to the post you mentioned and doom is still a really bad example. DQ XI will probably serve as a better ruler.

If you think so you are most likely just not capable to understanding those pretty complex stuff, which is no problem btw, most people dont. 

There's nothing complex about that.



habam on 12 January 2018
Genos8 said:
habam said:

If you think so you are most likely just not capable to understanding those pretty complex stuff, which is no problem btw, most people dont. 

There's nothing complex about that.

Yeah that sentence alone prooves my point 100%



Genos8 on 12 January 2018
habam said:
Genos8 said:

There's nothing complex about that.

Yeah that sentence alone prooves my point 100%

If you're going that route, there's no dialogue possible.