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Genos8 on 13 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Genos8 said:

You just proved you didn't read most of what I wrote. It's not about being up or down, but selling less than it would if the switch didn't exist.

Yes I read what you said.

Still didn't say if you will accept a perma ban if PS4 sell more than 13M in 2018.

Also you haven't provided any real evidence about how much PS4 would sell over if Switch didn't launch. And falled back to December being down YOY while ignoring the other moths. Yours argument were all out of place.

 

DonFerrari said:
Genos8 said:

Down 300k when the rest of the year is up by millions imply a much bigger difference than 300k. It would have been up by 1m+. Did 2016 also get official $199 for BF and $249 for part of december? Because those price deals seem better for 2017.

So you have dialed back to consider only the drop in December...

I don't have to accept any bet. And since you ignored all I said and once again put words in my mouth, I'm done talking to you.



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Barkley on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:
Barkley said:

By a marginal degree. But let's say hypothetically the Switch didn't release, what would you have expected ps4 sales in 2017 to be?

20.2m is a massive increase on 2016, I have a hard time believing that in the absence of the Switch it would have been much higher. Thus my belief that the Switch's affect on PS4 sales is marginal, and vice-versa.

How many of those 13m Switch purchases would have been a PS4? I'd wager not many.

20.2 m isn't a massive increse over 2016. ps4 has kept yoy sales very close to each other.

I'd expect 1.5-2 million more for ps4. Observe 2018 and you will see it more clearly.

2016 they sold 17.6m, 2017 they sold 20.2m. Yes that's a big increase.

I expect 2018 to be slightly down anyway, but not because of the Switch.

But if switch didn't launch you're saying the PS4 would have gone like this?

2015: 17.5m
2016: 17.6m
2017: 21.7m - 22.2m 

That's a very big jump. If the reason for that massive increase is "lack of competition" without switch, well there wasn't much competition in 2015/2016 either.



DonFerrari on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes I read what you said.

Still didn't say if you will accept a perma ban if PS4 sell more than 13M in 2018.

Also you haven't provided any real evidence about how much PS4 would sell over if Switch didn't launch. And falled back to December being down YOY while ignoring the other moths. Yours argument were all out of place.

 

DonFerrari said:

So you have dialed back to consider only the drop in December...

I don't have to accept any bet. And since you ignored all I said and once again put words in my mouth, I'm done talking to you.

Talk about ignoring kkkk. I read all you said, and you have just said what you said before and have zero proof of it. The price dialed back from 199 to 299 is enough reason to explain the drop in sales. The PS4Pro launching in the previous year is another. You were the one that ignored arguments and even reason because you are just sure Switch is stealing the thunder from PS4, but only in December since it have been up YOY up until December and it didn't come up for December.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Genos8 on 13 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Genos8 said:

 

I don't have to accept any bet. And since you ignored all I said and once again put words in my mouth, I'm done talking to you.

Talk about ignoring kkkk. I read all you said, and you have just said what you said before and have zero proof of it. The price dialed back from 199 to 299 is enough reason to explain the drop in sales. The PS4Pro launching in the previous year is another. You were the one that ignored arguments and even reason because you are just sure Switch is stealing the thunder from PS4, but only in December since it have been up YOY up until December and it didn't come up for December.

it was down for the holidays period as a whole. The unusual 199 pricetag shifted sales from december into november, otherwise we would have seen dec > nov as usual but the sum is what counts.



DonFerrari on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:
DonFerrari said:

Talk about ignoring kkkk. I read all you said, and you have just said what you said before and have zero proof of it. The price dialed back from 199 to 299 is enough reason to explain the drop in sales. The PS4Pro launching in the previous year is another. You were the one that ignored arguments and even reason because you are just sure Switch is stealing the thunder from PS4, but only in December since it have been up YOY up until December and it didn't come up for December.

it was down for the holidays period as a whole. The unusual 199 pricetag shifted sales from december into november, otherwise we would have seen dec > nov as usual but the sum is what counts.

By the whooping 300k that is easily explained by PS4Pro release and the price hike that didn't only shift sales to November, but also losing normal December sales.  Because you can't put PS4 selling less in December as the responsibility of Switch when for the other 9 months Switch was out it didn't impact PS4 in any manner you can prove.

So more than no one can prove Switch have no impact you can't prove that it does have a major impact.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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KLAMarine on 13 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
KLAMarine said:

Yes! A console sale is a console sale.

I can't? Even though it has shrunk/declined?

A return that is also a shrink, a dip, a fall, a decline, a loss, a downward trend. Call it what you will but has the direction it has headed not been clear? Has it not been downward?

I'm sorry, is the Wii not a console? Last I checked, it was classified as a console and thus contributed towards total console sales.

Begging a lot of questions here Ferrari:

"had no interest in gaming" and "didn't say in gaming"? So the Wii got them into gaming and then they left? Is that not growth followed by a shrinkage? Are the Wii Sports games that elderly people played not games?

Also, how do you know they didn't stay in gaming? Just because they left console gaming doesn't mean they left gaming. They could have gone to tablets or smartphone gaming or PC gaming or handheld gaming. They very much could have stayed in gaming just not console gaming.

Of course they're not the demographics of current console consumers, they have left. The market has shrunk.

Another point: the 360 and PS3 just like the Wii had web browsers, had Netflix, and played DVDs. Non-gaming applications that could be used by gamers and non-gamers alike. How do we factor this in if we were to take your approach on assessing console market growth/shrinkage? You wanna filter out casuals right? How do we go about this? Where do we get the numbers?

Like I said before: one opens up a can of worms when they want to filter out casuals.

 

How about we just keep things simple?..

 

A sale is a sale. That's it.

And that is why I said I won't discuss this with you again. You are hellbent in try to put the market on a condition that ignores reality just to say it shrunk.

I'm ignoring no reality: a sale is a sale.

DonFerrari said:

Windows had previous version have like 4 free games, but it seems it doesn't anymore. So since before the computers had games installed and now they don't have the PC gaming market shrinked a lot? Because that is the type of point you are making.

In that case, if pre-installed games on a copy of Windows OS are removed, that is a shrinkage, yes.

Btw, PC gaming and console gaming are not the same thing.

DonFerrari said:

Those Wii buyers that weren't interested in gaming, also didn't become interested in gaming on Wii. They played some type of games that weren't part of the general offering.

How can you say that they weren't interested in gaming and in the same paragraph say they played some type of games? If they weren't interested in gaming, why would they play games at all?

You're going against your own word at this point.



Qwark on 13 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
Bandorr said:
I think it will be fascinating if Genos ends up just being Katapig, superbott, or prinz.

What's more fascinating - selling millions more than a previous year isn't notable, but selling 300K less, in one part of the year, is. 

What's even more fascinating is that breaking the 20 million mark isn't notable. It has been quite a while since a home console pulled that off. Let alone when it was mostly priced above $250-$300 troughout the year. 



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Genos8 on 13 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
Bandorr said:
I think it will be fascinating if Genos ends up just being Katapig, superbott, or prinz.

What's more fascinating - selling millions more than a previous year isn't notable, but selling 300K less, in one part of the year, is. 

It is. One would expect the best period of the year to also be up by a similar margin as the other 9 months.



DonFerrari on 13 January 2018
KLAMarine said:
DonFerrari said:

And that is why I said I won't discuss this with you again. You are hellbent in try to put the market on a condition that ignores reality just to say it shrunk.

I'm ignoring no reality: a sale is a sale.

DonFerrari said:

Windows had previous version have like 4 free games, but it seems it doesn't anymore. So since before the computers had games installed and now they don't have the PC gaming market shrinked a lot? Because that is the type of point you are making.

In that case, if pre-installed games on a copy of Windows OS are removed, that is a shrinkage, yes.

Btw, PC gaming and console gaming are not the same thing.

DonFerrari said:

Those Wii buyers that weren't interested in gaming, also didn't become interested in gaming on Wii. They played some type of games that weren't part of the general offering.

How can you say that they weren't interested in gaming and in the same paragraph say they played some type of games? If they weren't interested in gaming, why would they play games at all?

You're going against your own word at this point.

Man you really have some hard time grasping the concept.

Will say once again, won't keep discussing this fruitless argument with you... if you think the gaming market is dying all power to you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Genos8 on 13 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
Genos8 said:

It is. One would expect the best period of the year to also be up by a similar margin as the other 9 months.

Might be the best case of Goal Post movement I've ever seen on this site. 

What am I moving, exactly? a similar % increase should be expected.