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KLAMarine on 13 January 2018
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DonFerrari said:
KLAMarine said:

Yes! A console sale is a console sale.

I can't? Even though it has shrunk/declined?

A return that is also a shrink, a dip, a fall, a decline, a loss, a downward trend. Call it what you will but has the direction it has headed not been clear? Has it not been downward?

I'm sorry, is the Wii not a console? Last I checked, it was classified as a console and thus contributed towards total console sales.

Begging a lot of questions here Ferrari:

"had no interest in gaming" and "didn't say in gaming"? So the Wii got them into gaming and then they left? Is that not growth followed by a shrinkage? Are the Wii Sports games that elderly people played not games?

Also, how do you know they didn't stay in gaming? Just because they left console gaming doesn't mean they left gaming. They could have gone to tablets or smartphone gaming or PC gaming or handheld gaming. They very much could have stayed in gaming just not console gaming.

Of course they're not the demographics of current console consumers, they have left. The market has shrunk.

Another point: the 360 and PS3 just like the Wii had web browsers, had Netflix, and played DVDs. Non-gaming applications that could be used by gamers and non-gamers alike. How do we factor this in if we were to take your approach on assessing console market growth/shrinkage? You wanna filter out casuals right? How do we go about this? Where do we get the numbers?

Like I said before: one opens up a can of worms when they want to filter out casuals.

 

How about we just keep things simple?..

 

A sale is a sale. That's it.

And that is why I said I won't discuss this with you again. You are hellbent in try to put the market on a condition that ignores reality just to say it shrunk.

I'm ignoring no reality: a sale is a sale.

DonFerrari said:

Windows had previous version have like 4 free games, but it seems it doesn't anymore. So since before the computers had games installed and now they don't have the PC gaming market shrinked a lot? Because that is the type of point you are making.

In that case, if pre-installed games on a copy of Windows OS are removed, that is a shrinkage, yes.

Btw, PC gaming and console gaming are not the same thing.

DonFerrari said:

Those Wii buyers that weren't interested in gaming, also didn't become interested in gaming on Wii. They played some type of games that weren't part of the general offering.

How can you say that they weren't interested in gaming and in the same paragraph say they played some type of games? If they weren't interested in gaming, why would they play games at all?

You're going against your own word at this point.