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Aeolus451 on 06 January 2018
palou said:
Aeolus451 said:

It's still flaky as hell. We're talking about controlling information. Most of the established news is left leaning and they've already shown they have to qualms about spinning stories to fit their agenda. This just sounds like mainstream news wants to cut out out smaller news sources.

If you have a source, that really shouldn't be too hard to add at the end. If you don't have a source, don't bother publishing.

1. Sources are often arguable if they are legit or accurate. 

2. Elections are time sensitive. Ya only need to freeze a story temporarily to make it not worth anything regardless if it was accurate or not. 

3. They would abuse it. It would do more harm than good.



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Errorist76 on 06 January 2018
o_O.Q said:
Errorist76 said:

I didn’t say that‘s what’s written in those articles...it’s what’s happening. Those pages and thousands of paid fake accounts mainly support parties like the AfD here in Germany or Front Nationale in France, for example. The same happened with Trump. It makes perfect sense for Putin to try to destabilise the EU (or US), in best case destroy it from within.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/europe-s-far-right-enjoys-backing-russia-s-putin-n718926

understood, but i'm just asking for some examples of the lies that are being told... the articles didn't really contain any

For example there’s a site called Anonymousnews which pretends to be Anonymous but really is run by the far right populist Mario Rönsch, who published sensationalist and mainly racist bullshit and lies, half-facts without context..exactly what could be considered fake news!

It’s only in German though. It’s like Breitbart but much worse I guess.

http://www.anonymousnews.ru/



VAMatt on 06 January 2018
o_O.Q said:
VAMatt said:
It's stuff like this that reminds me that all governments are oppressive. How can someone even suggest censorship of this sort and look at themselves in the mirror without puking?

because they want to bring about a utopia and understand subconsciously (not consciously) that it relies on enslaving everyone

i've come to realise that many people are terrified of accepting the responsibility that being a free (moderately) person brings 

Yeah.  Unfortunately, I think you are correct.



o_O.Q on 06 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
o_O.Q said:

understood, but i'm just asking for some examples of the lies that are being told... the articles didn't really contain any

For example there’s a site called Anonymousnews which pretends to be Anonymous but really is run by the far right populist Mario Rönsch, who published sensationalist and mainly racist bullshit and lies, half-facts without context..exactly what could be considered fake news!

It’s only in German though. It’s like Breitbart but even worse I guess.

http://www.anonymousnews.ru/

"which pretends to be Anonymous"

anyone can be considered a member of anonymous, they do not have a members list or anything like that

 

"who published sensationalist and mainly racist bullshit and lies, half-facts without context..exactly what could be considered fake news!"

examples?... and this site is separate from the facebook ads i suppose? or are the facebook ads based on this site?



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Errorist76 on 06 January 2018
o_O.Q said:
Errorist76 said:

For example there’s a site called Anonymousnews which pretends to be Anonymous but really is run by the far right populist Mario Rönsch, who published sensationalist and mainly racist bullshit and lies, half-facts without context..exactly what could be considered fake news!

It’s only in German though. It’s like Breitbart but even worse I guess.

http://www.anonymousnews.ru/

"which pretends to be Anonymous"

anyone can be considered a member of anonymous, they do not have a members list or anything like that

 

"who published sensationalist and mainly racist bullshit and lies, half-facts without context..exactly what could be considered fake news!"

examples?... and this site is separate from the facebook ads i suppose? or are the facebook ads based on this site?

Use some Google translate if you must.

and no, Anonymous have several times officially declared the guy stands against their ideas and is no part of Anonymous. The guy used to run the Facebook page for Anonymous.Kollektiv, his former name but was banned by Facebook a while ago for posting hate speech and misinformation.



palou on 06 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
palou said:

If you have a source, that really shouldn't be too hard to add at the end. If you don't have a source, don't bother publishing.

1. Sources are often arguable if they are legit or accurate. 

2. Elections are time sensitive. Ya only need to freeze a story temporarily to make it not worth anything regardless if it was accurate or not. 

3. They would abuse it. It would do more harm than good.

There's a very easy way to make something unarguably true (stuff you learn in middle school, really...), don't say "this happened", say "source A states that this happened". If you have interpretation to add, "I believe that we can conclude this."

 

That's a habit all media sources should be taking, regardless.



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Cerebralbore101 on 06 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:

Sounds like something a state inching closer to totalitarianism would do.

"Fake News" is very subjective and a censoring campaign against it could be applied to anything the ruling party doesn't like.

Whether or not something is propaganda is objective though.

Does a news outlet continually make arguments in favor of one candidate and against another?

Does a news outlet give equal time to both sides?

Does a news outlet offer up opinions (socialism is good/bad) instead of facts (socialism would cost many/few dollars, according to the CBO).




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WhatATimeToBeAlive on 06 January 2018
o_O.Q said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Looks like many of you don't know what is the issue behind this. It's not aimed against individuals who state their opinions, conspiracy theories, etc.. The problem is the organised disinformation/propaganda that is (mainly) spread by Russia.

Putin and his inner circle got scared in 2011 when there were big protests against him in Russia, and many of the North African and Middle-East dictators were ousted by the people. Then in 2014 when Ukraine broke away from Russia's influence zone and the "anti-West" attitude/tactic was put in full action, the disinformation-flood from Russia started.

This is done by "the troll-factories" that employ hundreds/thousands of people and are located in Russia (some people who worked there have come public about it). They also use bots who do the work automatically, and probably pay individual people/sites located outside of Russia to spread "the message". Russia has also started to support almost every anti-EU (European Union)/anti-west/far right movement, and target the dissinformation-/hacking-campaings towards elections in Europe and USA.

The main goal of this is to keep Putin (and also other autocrats/dictators) in power, cause division in the EU- and other Western countries (the break-up of EU would be Putins dream, because it would be much easier for Russia to influence decisions of countries who are "on their own" and not part of a big union) and undermine people's trust in democracy (The less people, especially the Russians, want a democratic system the better it's for Putin. All of Russia's allies are also basically run by dictators/autocrats, so that's also a good reason to weaken democracy. Or can you think of situation where a country that is democratically run would like to become an close ally to a country run by a dictator.).

 what are some examples of the lies spread by russia?

These are just some related to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine (over 10 000 deaths):

- "The unmarked soldiers that invaded Crimea are not Russian soldiers."

- "There are no Russian soldiers or military equipment in Eastern Ukraine."

- "The passenger plane that was shot down over Eastern Ukraine was downed by an Ukrainian military aircraft." (In reality it was shot down by a mobile anti-air missile-system that was brought from Russia, and was most likely operated by Russian soldiers.)

- "Ukraine is run by fascists." (In the 2014 elections that were held after Russia attacked Ukraine, the far-right party got 2 % of the votes. But that didn't stop the Russian state media news from reporting that the far-right party got majority of the votes.)

 

And there are countless of other straight up lies that Russia and its trolls make all the time on daily basis. It's almost at the absurdity-level of North-Korea.



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