Slarvax said: So uh, did you learn anything from the PS3? |
I assume you refer about the Cell being hard to program for. I dissagree, because it would be just a bonus for devolopers for rendering certain graphics and processing to offload the CPU, sure you would have some developers not utilizing it (probably Bethesda and the likes) but others like Naughty Dog they could make miracles with with it again especially for times to come. 50$ is really not a lot of money in the end of the day, and outweighs the worries.
Pemalite said:
Ruler said:
If the PS4 GPU is so strong why cant it give me 60fps?
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It can. Developers just choose not to.
Ruler said:
And i am pretty sure people would rather have Cell processor that also gives full BC than some SSD cache.
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Where is the poll? Put your money where your mouth is.
Ruler said:
just the PS3s RSX GPU would have done better too than the Cell.
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RSX doesn't hold a candle to a more compute-centric GPU architecture like GCN.
Ruler said:
Cell pretty much trumps the Jaguar.
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No.
Ruler said:
XDR2 is the fastest Ram available that would be another plus and also necessary in order to even run the Cell processor.
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No.
Ruler said:
But it is better than a Jaguar. A single GPU at 3.2Ghz will run better in a lot of situations than an 8 core CPU running at 1.6Ghz.
On PC you can pretty much run most PS4 and XBox One games with the same performance on a Pentium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzixD_Rus74
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No.
Why are we even having this discussion? It's almost 2018. The Playstation 3 is dead, the Cell is dead. They are old, slow, outdated.
The Cell was never a high-end CPU to begin with, sure once you delved into iterative refinement it could come into it's own... But outside of that, the Cell was nothing impressive, even 10 years ago. The Cell was designed to provide adequate performance for a low cost, perfect for a console.
SegataSanshiro said: lol, I love it when people think just because a CPU from over a decade ago is better just because it says 3.2 GHz over 1.6 GHz. |
I would say I expect better of this forum after all this time of tech-orientated based threads/posts dating back years... But then a poster comes along and destroys that fantasy.
shikamaru317 said:
Not me. I'd much rather have the SSD cache since load times are going to be atrocious next gen without at least some SSD cache. Can you imagine the load times next gen with a standard hard drive when all games have 4K textures, when the load times right now already exceed 90 seconds in some games? We could be looking at 2-3 minute load times in open world games without SSD cache.
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Jaguar is superior to Cell. Especially in Integers... Jaguar was AMD's worst CPU during a time when they had the industries worst CPU lineup. So it goes without saying that any successor to Jaguar is going to be a rather large increase... And by default is what we will have in next-gen anyway.
So I concur. I would rather an SSD Cache... A nice big chunk of SLC NAND please.
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1. That true but you have to ask yourself why the Developer do that, they see these consoles they know the CPU is weak and they rather use the GPU power to deliver 1080p and better graphics than running the game in 720p with lower settings. These consoles were pretty much designed that way.
2. I put my money where my mouth is, i own all PS consoles including PS3 and continue to play older games for them
3. Yes it is the RSX has 400 Gflops, the Jaguar GPU has 1840 Gflops, its pretty much as simple as that. Does that sound like RSX cant hold a candle?
4. Dont know where you quoted me, but yeah the Cell trumps the Jaguar if you remove GPUs. The PS3 was even originally designed to run without a GPU, they planed to use two 2 Cells originally without any GPU. It is a known fact that the Cell was designed like a GPU rather than a CPU, hence why without a GPU the Jaguar would lose against the Cell running in benchmarks like the ones i have posted in my opening post.
5. Yes XDR2 even the original XDR1 inside the PS3 are faster than GDDR5 Ram
6. Yes the Cell was impressive for its time, the reason why it failed is not because it was a bad piece of hardware but because developers didnt want to programm for, you know they love their monopolies just like AMD hardware isnt running great on PC either over Nvidia and Intel despite having same hardware specs.
Its design is even superior to x86 in power savings, x86 CPUs are wasting 30% of energy while the Cell only does 5-10%, hence it was used for servers a lot. How is that not a High End CPU? And The Cell wasnt cheap at all, it costed Sony 800$ to produce one PS3 and they sold it for 600$. Does that sound a low end cost CPU? that was the whole problem with the PS3 to begin with, but now prices are down
Last edited by Ruler - on 26 December 2017