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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

The PSP actually does come pretty close to offering the same. It's all shown in the video I provided.

Really? Everyone must be blind. Clearly psp have dual analogs and R2/L2/R3/L3 as well as gyro control, they are just invisible that no one can see them outside Sony and ps fans. What a clueless i am

Perhaps you should take some time to understand what the words "pretty close" mean.

Can you please stop making strawman arguments?



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HoangNhatAnh said:
Yeah, call me when smartphone can replace home console. A smartphone mean majority users are casual, can't wait to see all free to play games with microtransactions on ps4 portable

There is nothing wrong with the majority of players being casual. Bring on more free to play, and microtransactions. If that is what casuals want, then let them have it. Even if they are only playing F2P, they are still making money for the platform holder, and building an even larger userbase which means more software of all kinds. 

Honestly, if Apple or Google ever made a PS Vita/Sitch like device + a console equivalent set top box, and started getting Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Madden, Grand Theft AUto, Far Cry, Just Cause, Final Fantasy, Fifa, Battlefield, Red Dead, basically all AAA 3rd party titles. Then why the hell would I ever buy a Sony or Nintendo? At that point the if Sony or Nintendo still refused to offer broader platform, with a mobile option, the value disparity would be too great, and I would sit with iOS or Android and bitch about Sony and Nintendo needing to bring their games to those platforms. Either Sony or Nintendo need to start offering Phones, or Apple and Google, need to find a spot in the trillions they are making to offer a Gaming Phone and High End Set Top Box.



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The simple answer is no.

Sony has shown they aren't able to compete with Nintendo in the handheld space (which is what a hybrid is really). Even with the PSP selling 80 million, it was trashed by the DS's 150 million. The Vita was a flop I'm sure Sony wants to just forget about. It couldn't even touch the 3DS despite being Nintendo's worst selling handheld.

Sony's issue has been the same as everyone else's who has tried to take on Nintendo. They try to make a little beefcake that lacks the functionality of Nintendo's devices. I assume a Playstation Switch would try to be more powerful than the Switch, but by doing so it will be more expensive and may run into other issues such as heating. Sony's consumers expect Playstation to be a power console, so they'll see it as Sony's stepping back. Sony also has a weak first party line up so they may struggle to launch their system (this was a major reason the Vita died. Developers supported the 3DS which left Vita with nothing).

I don't see a scenario where a Playstation Switch would be successful.



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HoangNhatAnh said:

Always ahead? LOL, not with DS vs PSP, 3DS vs Vita, Wii vs PS3, Wii U vs PS4, even Switch when dock vs ps4 too. So in your theory, 16GB cart with a 8GB download on card is the same as 80GB digital on ps portable, OK. The majority fans who love Fifa is in Europe - Sony land so... Also, in your dream, ps portable will have the same in everything as Switch 2 except 1 Gflops Tegra is always 30% or even more faster than 1 Gflops ARM and Nintendo games are a lot more suit to handheld in opposite to Sony games which always about cinematic and graphic, not the kind of game to play on the go. Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem and Pokemon which people can trade items and Pokemon on the go but Horizon, Uncharted and Infamous play everywhere? Not really a good idea. Sony fans always want cinematic feel on big screen, not on a small screen. PSP have worse graphics than ps2? Depend, compared Monster Hunter Portable 3rd psp to Monster Hunter on ps2 or Final Fantasy Type 0 ( look almost like an early ps3 game) on psp to Final Fantasy XII on PS2, i don't see worse anywhere.

When Switch presentation finished in january last year, i didn't see everyone (including Nintendo fans) said it will sell gangbusters, they say a $300 handheld with 3 hours battery and only 1 big title Zelda is doa, the most optimist one think it will sold decent in Japan, not getting any success in the Wes for too few games at launch. Now people are saying it sold well is obvious, LOL

Ahead in terms of gens. You can't really say PS is ahead of Nin in hardware, because Nin could have and still could release hardware that is as strong if not stronger than PS has, but they chose not to, since it hasn't/doesn't fit their business and marketing plans since Gamecube. Not my theory, my thoughts based on your theory. So any country that sells more of another brand doesn't deserve certain games? If Europe is PS land, that makes NA either XB or PS land, so Switch should only be selling in Japan? Tegra is ARM. It doesn't matter what hardware Nin games suit, because if games like Skyrim and Doom are on Switch, then they would also end up on the PS portable, and since PS games aren't much different, it should work just fine then. Graphics in direct comparison, so handheld might seem as good as console, but it's on a tiny screen. It seemed like people thought Switch would do well, and much better than Wii U or even Gamecube, but few thought it would sell like Wii. That doesn't mean they thought it would fail. If Nin stopped selling handhelds and only sold one version of Switch, then Gamecube numbers would be a massive failure. If they continue selling handhelds, or launch a handheld only version of Switch, and continue their strong handheld sales, then hybrid Switch doesn't need to sell like Wii/PS4 to be a success.



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KBG29 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:
Yeah, call me when smartphone can replace home console. A smartphone mean majority users are casual, can't wait to see all free to play games with microtransactions on ps4 portable

There is nothing wrong with the majority of players being casual. Bring on more free to play, and microtransactions. If that is what casuals want, then let them have it. Even if they are only playing F2P, they are still making money for the platform holder, and building an even larger userbase which means more software of all kinds. 

Honestly, if Apple or Google ever made a PS Vita/Sitch like device + a console equivalent set top box, and started getting Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Madden, Grand Theft AUto, Far Cry, Just Cause, Final Fantasy, Fifa, Battlefield, Red Dead, basically all AAA 3rd party titles. Then why the hell would I ever buy a Sony or Nintendo? At that point the if Sony or Nintendo still refused to offer broader platform, with a mobile option, the value disparity would be too great, and I would sit with iOS or Android and bitch about Sony and Nintendo needing to bring their games to those platforms. Either Sony or Nintendo need to start offering Phones, or Apple and Google, need to find a spot in the trillions they are making to offer a Gaming Phone and High End Set Top Box.

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/

There you go :)



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potato_hamster said:
KBG29 said:

There is nothing wrong with the majority of players being casual. Bring on more free to play, and microtransactions. If that is what casuals want, then let them have it. Even if they are only playing F2P, they are still making money for the platform holder, and building an even larger userbase which means more software of all kinds. 

Honestly, if Apple or Google ever made a PS Vita/Sitch like device + a console equivalent set top box, and started getting Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Madden, Grand Theft AUto, Far Cry, Just Cause, Final Fantasy, Fifa, Battlefield, Red Dead, basically all AAA 3rd party titles. Then why the hell would I ever buy a Sony or Nintendo? At that point the if Sony or Nintendo still refused to offer broader platform, with a mobile option, the value disparity would be too great, and I would sit with iOS or Android and bitch about Sony and Nintendo needing to bring their games to those platforms. Either Sony or Nintendo need to start offering Phones, or Apple and Google, need to find a spot in the trillions they are making to offer a Gaming Phone and High End Set Top Box.

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/

There you go :)

Laughing out loud! You got me there.

Yeah, they have the Sony name on them, but they are not Sony devices. Just another re-branded Google device.

Even the Xperia Play had almost nothing to do with Sony. No access to PS1, PSP. Not a single 1st party game ever made for it. Not a single game from EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Capcom, Konami, Square, or any other major 3rd pary publisher. PSN access limited to the PS Mobile Store, but only if you basically hacked the device to get it on there. No access to online play, friends lists, messaging, or any other PSN features. The Xperia Play was a device sent to die.

Now if Sony made a Phone that ran on their own OS. Had access to the PlayStation Library, including SIEWWS, 3rd party parteners, and indies. Fully supported by all PSN features and related services. Full Dual Shock controls. Then things would shake up. 

And No, Remote Play or PlayStation Now with a Dual Shock 4, on an Google Xperia device does not count. 

A Phone successor to the Vita with native access to PlayStation games, at the same level of quality we have came to expect over the last 20+ years. That is what would shake up the mobile space. PlayStation Phones with access to all future PlayStation releases, one purchase plays on Phone and on Console, that's where Sony can carve out a viable 100 Million + userbase in the mobile space. 



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potato_hamster said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So psp is a hybrid console, right? LOL. I don't remember Sony or any ps fan used that word even in when vita came out. But now with Switch become success, suddenly psp is a hybrid console LOL. 222mhz to 333mhz? Is that all? Should i tell you how stronger Switch become when dock? 193 Gflops to near 400 Gflops and 1 Gflops Tegra is 30% faster than 1 Gflops ADM. PSP is the same hybrid with comparable function of a home console, right? LOL

Did I ever say the PSP is a hybrid console? Any more things you want to argue against that I never said.

Also, super adorable that you expect a handheld released in 2004 to have comparable specs to one released in 2018.

Nope, i said comparable boost from handheld to dock in psp like Switch about Gflops, resolution and graphic. And 1 Gflops ADM can only dream to compete to 1 Gflops Tegra



potato_hamster said:
KBG29 said:

There is nothing wrong with the majority of players being casual. Bring on more free to play, and microtransactions. If that is what casuals want, then let them have it. Even if they are only playing F2P, they are still making money for the platform holder, and building an even larger userbase which means more software of all kinds. 

Honestly, if Apple or Google ever made a PS Vita/Sitch like device + a console equivalent set top box, and started getting Call of Duty, Assasins Creed, Madden, Grand Theft AUto, Far Cry, Just Cause, Final Fantasy, Fifa, Battlefield, Red Dead, basically all AAA 3rd party titles. Then why the hell would I ever buy a Sony or Nintendo? At that point the if Sony or Nintendo still refused to offer broader platform, with a mobile option, the value disparity would be too great, and I would sit with iOS or Android and bitch about Sony and Nintendo needing to bring their games to those platforms. Either Sony or Nintendo need to start offering Phones, or Apple and Google, need to find a spot in the trillions they are making to offer a Gaming Phone and High End Set Top Box.

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/

There you go :)

Thank you for the link, i'm wondering where to find it. Can't wait to see Sony announce Xperia outsold both Iphone and Samsung Galaxy oh wait



EricHiggin said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Always ahead? LOL, not with DS vs PSP, 3DS vs Vita, Wii vs PS3, Wii U vs PS4, even Switch when dock vs ps4 too. So in your theory, 16GB cart with a 8GB download on card is the same as 80GB digital on ps portable, OK. The majority fans who love Fifa is in Europe - Sony land so... Also, in your dream, ps portable will have the same in everything as Switch 2 except 1 Gflops Tegra is always 30% or even more faster than 1 Gflops ARM and Nintendo games are a lot more suit to handheld in opposite to Sony games which always about cinematic and graphic, not the kind of game to play on the go. Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem and Pokemon which people can trade items and Pokemon on the go but Horizon, Uncharted and Infamous play everywhere? Not really a good idea. Sony fans always want cinematic feel on big screen, not on a small screen. PSP have worse graphics than ps2? Depend, compared Monster Hunter Portable 3rd psp to Monster Hunter on ps2 or Final Fantasy Type 0 ( look almost like an early ps3 game) on psp to Final Fantasy XII on PS2, i don't see worse anywhere.

When Switch presentation finished in january last year, i didn't see everyone (including Nintendo fans) said it will sell gangbusters, they say a $300 handheld with 3 hours battery and only 1 big title Zelda is doa, the most optimist one think it will sold decent in Japan, not getting any success in the Wes for too few games at launch. Now people are saying it sold well is obvious, LOL

Ahead in terms of gens. You can't really say PS is ahead of Nin in hardware, because Nin could have and still could release hardware that is as strong if not stronger than PS has, but they chose not to, since it hasn't/doesn't fit their business and marketing plans since Gamecube. Not my theory, my thoughts based on your theory. So any country that sells more of another brand doesn't deserve certain games? If Europe is PS land, that makes NA either XB or PS land, so Switch should only be selling in Japan? Tegra is ARM. It doesn't matter what hardware Nin games suit, because if games like Skyrim and Doom are on Switch, then they would also end up on the PS portable, and since PS games aren't much different, it should work just fine then. Graphics in direct comparison, so handheld might seem as good as console, but it's on a tiny screen. It seemed like people thought Switch would do well, and much better than Wii U or even Gamecube, but few thought it would sell like Wii. That doesn't mean they thought it would fail. If Nin stopped selling handhelds and only sold one version of Switch, then Gamecube numbers would be a massive failure. If they continue selling handhelds, or launch a handheld only version of Switch, and continue their strong handheld sales, then hybrid Switch doesn't need to sell like Wii/PS4 to be a success.

ARM here is from AMD, Tegra is from Nvidia. Graphic is the same except control functions quality on psp is no where close to ps2, compare Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 psp to Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja 5, graphic look almost same but the quality gameplay and control are not. All games are suit on handheld i said here are Nintendo games, not Sony games who focus on graphic and resolution, since when i mention Skyrim and Doom are more suit for handheld here? NA? Look like Switch sold most in December and also is one of the best selling console off all time in US. People have said with the rise of smartphone, portable market for gaming is smaller and on life support, Nintendo console also is done after Wii U, now they are combine two into one with hope it Switch can make it but you are still saying it is a safe choice, OK



HoangNhatAnh said: 

I told you Nintendo customers love physical games and of course they care if they are good games like Skyrim or Doom but not something like Fifa. Again, i said Switch games is way more lighter than on ps, even with big AAA game need install, they are still a lot smaller than ps ones. 

HoangNhatAnh said:
EricHiggin said:

Ahead in terms of gens. You can't really say PS is ahead of Nin in hardware, because Nin could have and still could release hardware that is as strong if not stronger than PS has, but they chose not to, since it hasn't/doesn't fit their business and marketing plans since Gamecube. Not my theory, my thoughts based on your theory. So any country that sells more of another brand doesn't deserve certain games? If Europe is PS land, that makes NA either XB or PS land, so Switch should only be selling in Japan? Tegra is ARM. It doesn't matter what hardware Nin games suit, because if games like Skyrim and Doom are on Switch, then they would also end up on the PS portable, and since PS games aren't much different, it should work just fine then. Graphics in direct comparison, so handheld might seem as good as console, but it's on a tiny screen. It seemed like people thought Switch would do well, and much better than Wii U or even Gamecube, but few thought it would sell like Wii. That doesn't mean they thought it would fail. If Nin stopped selling handhelds and only sold one version of Switch, then Gamecube numbers would be a massive failure. If they continue selling handhelds, or launch a handheld only version of Switch, and continue their strong handheld sales, then hybrid Switch doesn't need to sell like Wii/PS4 to be a success.

ARM here is from AMD, Tegra is from Nvidia. Graphic is the same except control functions quality on psp is no where close to ps2, compare Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 psp to Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja 5, graphic look almost same but the quality gameplay and control are not. All games are suit on handheld i said here are Nintendo games, not Sony games who focus on graphic and resolution, since when i mention Skyrim and Doom are more suit for handheld here? NA? Look like Switch sold most in December and also is one of the best selling console off all time in US. People have said with the rise of smartphone, portable market for gaming is smaller and on life support, Nintendo console also is done after Wii U, now they are combine two into one with hope it Switch can make it but you are still saying it is a safe choice, OK

AMD is known for x86 but also dabbles in ARM. Nvidia Tegra is the chip branding, but uses ARM cores. I didn't say third party suited handheld. If Nin fans care so much about good games like Doom and Skyrim on a handheld hybrid, then PS gamers will care about having them on a portable, along with PS first party games. Just because Switch potentially sold more units in one month, that means it owns NA? It's the fastest selling, not best selling. Being the fastest 100 meter sprinter on Earth is basically meaningless if your competing in the 800 meter race. We need to see if Switch also has stamina. Some people, like journalists especially, were saying consoles were dead, yet PS4 and even XB1 are doing fine, if not amazing, so it's no surprise that a Nin handheld hybrid is having success so far. A $500 high performance console would have been super risky, a $200 low performance console would have been quite risky, no console at all would have made Nin look like they had been defeated an given up, so merging their console with their handheld, and adding some functionality that made the Wii sell so well, with a reasonable market price for it all, was the least risky by far. The more third party support it gets, along with more online support and app support, the less risky it becomes as the gen goes on. A handheld hybrid was still a risk, but the safest one they could have taken. 



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.