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What will happen with Rare if Sea of Thieves is successful?

They'll make more new IPs 13 35.14%
 
They'll resurrect some of their old IPs 8 21.62%
 
They'll separate from Microsoft 4 10.81%
 
They'll expand into other genres 3 8.11%
 
Other (please specify) 9 24.32%
 
Total:37
CaptainExplosion said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why do they need to do what Rare did?

Because there's probably no way we'll ever get anything like the old Rare if they don't.

Again, is that even necessary? There's Yooka-Laylee, and Killer Instinct still exists.



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VGPolyglot said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Because there's probably no way we'll ever get anything like the old Rare if they don't.

Again, is that even necessary? There's Yooka-Laylee, and Killer Instinct still exists.

Yooka-Laylee is constantly bashed on this site though, which gives the impression it failed.



CaptainExplosion said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, is that even necessary? There's Yooka-Laylee, and Killer Instinct still exists.

Yooka-Laylee is constantly bashed on this site though, which gives the impression it failed.

And many of the complaints were that it was too similar to the classic Rare games, instead of trying to adjust to modern mechanics.



Hopefully. XOne is pretty dull compared to Switch/ PS4, at least for me.



DonFerrari said:
MS will keep their policy of deciding what the studio does.

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

No. Gamers want good games in general. Hoping for a game to fail for the assumption of older games to be revived is stupid. 

This is an industry with thousands of employees. KI was a revival and wasnt made by Rare. Also nothing is stopping MS from using a small team at Rare to monitor Sea of Thieves while they continue to innovate and create.

Id rather play an amazing game now than a bad one in hope of a revival of an older game.

If anything, if Rare succeeds with Sea of Thieves than it gives confidants to the brand and there owners to create more, not the other way around. Thats silly.

If Sea of Thieves fails, it has more of a chance of Rare being absorbed rather than MS giving them more freedom.

Yes, because MS is known to have devs making new IPs when they have a strong IP they could make a sequel off... sure.

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?



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Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:
MS will keep their policy of deciding what the studio does.

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

DonFerrari said:

Yes, because MS is known to have devs making new IPs when they have a strong IP they could make a sequel off... sure.

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?

Yeah, I think Don if off base here. If anything, Microsoft gives its studios too much freedom.



Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:
MS will keep their policy of deciding what the studio does.

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

DonFerrari said:

Yes, because MS is known to have devs making new IPs when they have a strong IP they could make a sequel off... sure.

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?

They gave the freedom for then to make the IP as they had the freedom to do Kinect games?

Can we talk about studios that had to take on Halo and Gears and drop their previous games? Would rather wait you name a single studio that made a very big IP on MS and were allowed to make anything else... Bungie left MS to stop doing Halo, MS bought Gears because the creator didn't want to keep doing it, Shut down the studio for Fables because the IP died...

There are much more examples of MS demanding studios to keep churning sequels than allowing then to create new IPs.

Veknoid_Outcast said:
Azzanation said:

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?

Yeah, I think Don if off base here. If anything, Microsoft gives its studios too much freedom.

Too much freedom? What freedom they have on doing sequels in and out?



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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?

They gave the freedom for then to make the IP as they had the freedom to do Kinect games?

Can we talk about studios that had to take on Halo and Gears and drop their previous games? Would rather wait you name a single studio that made a very big IP on MS and were allowed to make anything else... Bungie left MS to stop doing Halo, MS bought Gears because the creator didn't want to keep doing it, Shut down the studio for Fables because the IP died...

There are much more examples of MS demanding studios to keep churning sequels than allowing then to create new IPs.

Veknoid_Outcast said:

Yeah, I think Don if off base here. If anything, Microsoft gives its studios too much freedom.

Too much freedom? What freedom they have on doing sequels in and out?

You know its because MS gave Rare too much freedom in the past with games like Perfect Dark Zero, Grabbed by the Ghoulies and Banjo Nuts n Bolts is why MS moved Rare to Kinect games and guess what.. they made successful Kinect games for a short period of time. It seemed to work for them. Now they have freedom back and are making Sea of Thieves. 

MS is not out to kill your favourite brands because they love to. You need to move on from your anti MS thinking.

Also you failed to name me MS brands that are forced to make IPs that aren't built from the ground up. Bungie wanted to let a multi-million dollar franchise die which is stupid to any major business model and shareholders would have hated it.

Halo - 343i < Built to make Halo games

Forza - Turn10 < Built to make Forza games

Gears - Coalition < Built to make Gears games and open to more once the trilogy is finished.

Fable - Lionhead < Fable series died and Lionhead were no good at anything else and were shut down.

Sony and Nintendo all have there fair share of IPs dying and studios closing down. In fact even if Nintendo took Rare back, they are well known for cancelling projects if they don't meet Nintendo's standards. So Rare going to Nintendo and magically letting Rare release games isn't that easy as you think. Plus MS wont let those IPs go, if anything they will sell Rare but keep the assets.

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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

You know MS gave Rare the freedom to make Sea of thieves right?

Go on, name me the brands under MS that are forced to make single IPs that aren't built from the ground up under MS to do so in the first place?

They gave the freedom for then to make the IP as they had the freedom to do Kinect games?

Can we talk about studios that had to take on Halo and Gears and drop their previous games? Would rather wait you name a single studio that made a very big IP on MS and were allowed to make anything else... Bungie left MS to stop doing Halo, MS bought Gears because the creator didn't want to keep doing it, Shut down the studio for Fables because the IP died...

There are much more examples of MS demanding studios to keep churning sequels than allowing then to create new IPs.

Veknoid_Outcast said:

Yeah, I think Don if off base here. If anything, Microsoft gives its studios too much freedom.

Too much freedom? What freedom they have on doing sequels in and out?

1) 343 was created to continue making Halo games. That's its sole purpose. Look at the company name.

2) Black Tusk I'll give you. It was founded in 2012 to create a new IP, "to build the next Halo." Now it's working on Gears.

3) Rare has been given an obscene amount of freedom to create its own games, yes, including Kinect: https://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-didn-t-push-for-kinect-development-rare-chose-it-327384.phtml

4) According to reports, Playground is working on an RPG: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/11/23/forza-horizon-devs-secret-new-game-is-an-open-world-action-rpg



Veknoid_Outcast said:
DonFerrari said:

They gave the freedom for then to make the IP as they had the freedom to do Kinect games?

Can we talk about studios that had to take on Halo and Gears and drop their previous games? Would rather wait you name a single studio that made a very big IP on MS and were allowed to make anything else... Bungie left MS to stop doing Halo, MS bought Gears because the creator didn't want to keep doing it, Shut down the studio for Fables because the IP died...

There are much more examples of MS demanding studios to keep churning sequels than allowing then to create new IPs.

Too much freedom? What freedom they have on doing sequels in and out?

1) 343 was created to continue making Halo games. That's its sole purpose. Look at the company name.

2) Black Tusk I'll give you. It was founded in 2012 to create a new IP, "to build the next Halo." Now it's working on Gears.

3) Rare has been given an obscene amount of freedom to create its own games, yes, including Kinect: https://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-didn-t-push-for-kinect-development-rare-chose-it-327384.phtml

4) According to reports, Playground is working on an RPG: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/11/23/forza-horizon-devs-secret-new-game-is-an-open-world-action-rpg

Playground is an Independent Studio tho. They are not owned by MS.

Does Nintendo and Sony has any studio built to make a single franchise?

The only one i can think of is Polyphony Digital.