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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

You do realize that China is pretty much capitalist country regarding the economy right?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sV5P_F3frY They had to reform because their communist economy failed miserably.

 

Germany is also capitalist regarding the economy. Most of their companies are privately owned. Here is a discussion on it. https://www.quora.com/Is-Germany-a-socialist-or-capitalist-country

....countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

but still practices capitalism and showing how useless socialism is especially when it comes to the economy.



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massimus said:
Smear-Gel said:
I was just gonna slide in and say he sucked at the beginning and is worse now and be done with it, but I'll throw in two things based on the last few pages:

It seems that Trump team's push to discredit the investigation so that when all the super obvious crimes start coming out, people will just write them off as fake or not a big deal, has worked. Because the mere fact that lies and conflicting stories are ramping up means that nothing Trump team says holds any water. You can even see the shift in the narrative, where they are no longer saying Trump is innocent, they're saying if anything happened, he doesnt remember, they're saying he cant be arrested, they're saying that the FBI shouldnt have been there, but they're past saying nothing happened.

Capitalism sucks, and people always say that everything good could only happen with capitalism, while all the negative effects of it are downplayed, ignored or pushed on other systems. The current push to privitize the internet and take away Net Neutrality in a way that will stifile new businesses and potentially make the public pay more, the horrible state of copyright law and the myriad of privacy issues and data selling on Youtube, Google,, Facebook, etc are also due to capitalism, and corporations prioritising making money over all else. Inb4 if you dont like capitalism you must love communism.

LOL I assume you’re talking about me. I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending the office and authority of the president, I don’t care who it is. Trust me, the only time I listen to Trump or his “team” is when I need a laugh. Their talk has nothing to do with my opinion. I follow the facts and have since it started with Clinton emails. The facts say you don’t have any evidence. Calling Trump treasonous is a serious accusation and especially one where you don’t have a shred of evidence. Conflicting stories and process crimes prove nothing. What do the conflicting stories tell you?

 

What are these super obvious crimes that will be coming out? How have I written them off? I haven’t written anything off because you haven’t shown me, nobody has. To say I have my opinion because the “trump team is discrediting” is such a cop out bullshit thing to say. I’m being honest. I have tried to get something for 2 pages and I haven’t gotten anything. Just people talking about wishful thinking and comparing the office of the presidency to a mafia boss like there isn’t any difference in constitutional authority. People being happy about erosion of attorney client privilege. If it’s super obvious then I’m not seeing it, please help me understand. Without the ignorance hidden behind weak snark please, like some of the others here lol. 

 

Woah! How do I fix the text?

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?



 

Snoopy said:
SpokenTruth said:

....countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

but still practices capitalism and showing how useless socialism is especially when it comes to the economy.

The whole point is that an ideal situation for a country involves having a mixture of multiple economic styles as going into just one is usually less than ideal. 



 

Smear-Gel said:
massimus said:

LOL I assume you’re talking about me. I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending the office and authority of the president, I don’t care who it is. Trust me, the only time I listen to Trump or his “team” is when I need a laugh. Their talk has nothing to do with my opinion. I follow the facts and have since it started with Clinton emails. The facts say you don’t have any evidence. Calling Trump treasonous is a serious accusation and especially one where you don’t have a shred of evidence. Conflicting stories and process crimes prove nothing. What do the conflicting stories tell you?

 

What are these super obvious crimes that will be coming out? How have I written them off? I haven’t written anything off because you haven’t shown me, nobody has. To say I have my opinion because the “trump team is discrediting” is such a cop out bullshit thing to say. I’m being honest. I have tried to get something for 2 pages and I haven’t gotten anything. Just people talking about wishful thinking and comparing the office of the presidency to a mafia boss like there isn’t any difference in constitutional authority. People being happy about erosion of attorney client privilege. If it’s super obvious then I’m not seeing it, please help me understand. Without the ignorance hidden behind weak snark please, like some of the others here lol. 

 

Woah! How do I fix the text?

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?

People not getting their story straight doesn’t prove treason though. It doesn’t prove anything. Do you think nobody has met with Russians before the Trump campaign? What super obvious crimes are you talking about? I’m just trying to figure out what I’m missing. 

 

No lol. He was fired because he was a boob. The firing of Comey didn’t stop the investigation. I said the dems wanted him fired because he was mean to Hillary. He wasn’t though really, she skated Scott free. That doesn’t prove anything besides how dumb the Dem leadership is and the blame complex going around.

 

i think some people are having a nervous breakdown and would believe anything before believing they lost that election fair and square. How could Cheeto Jesus win an election? There has to be something right? He has to be a Russian sleeper. Okay, where is the evidence? So and so lied isn’t proof of anything. I’m not taking trumps word on anything, show me some evidence that I could consider. 



massimus said:
Smear-Gel said:

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?

People not getting their story straight doesn’t prove treason though. It doesn’t prove anything. Do you think nobody has met with Russians before the Trump campaign? What super obvious crimes are you talking about? I’m just trying to figure out what I’m missing. 

 

No lol. He was fired because he was a boob. The firing of Comey didn’t stop the investigation. I said the dems wanted him fired because he was mean to Hillary. He wasn’t though really, she skated Scott free. That doesn’t prove anything besides how dumb the Dem leadership is and the blame complex going around.

 

i think some people are having a nervous breakdown and would believe anything before believing they lost that election fair and square. How could Cheeto Jesus win an election? There has to be something right? He has to be a Russian sleeper. Okay, where is the evidence? So and so lied isn’t proof of anything. I’m not taking trumps word on anything, show me some evidence that I could consider. 

The official Trump campaign response was that he was fired because of that. And of course it didnt stop the investigation, but Trump wanted to hamper it.

The combination of lies, fake stories, secret meetings, withheld information and the progress that Mueller has made in terms of guilty pleas and arrests make me less than willing to think that everything related to the election and subsequent investigation was above board. I actually dont get why its so hard to understand why many people would think this way.

Obviously I'm patiently waiting for the investigation to bring forth the necessary info that shows something went on, so I'm not going to definitivly say anything, but to me (and many others) their actions surrounding this whole ordeal makes it so clear they are hiding incredibly damaging information and Trump is getting increasingly desperate to end this before things get worse.



 

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H.E.R. said:
Why is the tax plan a positive for Trump?

Deficit is growing...
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-republicans-growing-deficit/

...while wage growth is still anemic.
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

And corporations are using their new money on stock buybacks at a record rate.
http://time.com/money/5267940/companies-spending-trump-tax-cuts-stock-buybacks/

Because Dear Leader is so hilariously unaccomplished that whenever he actually does something they need to call it a win.

Meanwhile, in Reality, he's only made things worse for his country and those unfortunate enough to live there.



Smear-Gel said:

The official Trump campaign response was that he was fired because of that. And of course it didnt stop the investigation, but Trump wanted to hamper it.

The combination of lies, fake stories, secret meetings, withheld information and the progress that Mueller has made in terms of guilty pleas and arrests make me less than willing to think that everything related to the election and subsequent investigation was above board. I actually dont get why its so hard to understand why many people would think this way.

Obviously I'm patiently waiting for the investigation to bring forth the necessary info that shows something went on, so I'm not going to definitivly say anything, but to me (and many others) their actions surrounding this whole ordeal makes it so clear they are hiding incredibly damaging information and Trump is getting increasingly desperate to end this before things get worse.

 

Be honest, did the firing of Comey hamper the investigation in any way? No lol. Not in the slightest. That's why its best to not listen to Trump, he will say whatever just to piss people off. I think that's hilarious, personally. An unusual president. If he has said something incriminating then what was it? Not something offensive, dumb or crude but actual incriminating language?

Mueller's powers broaden daily and is becoming the most powerful person in the country. He has no constitutional right to do the things he's doing. One of these comments called me an idiot and told me to research how Mueller handled Gotti the crime family boss. Like he has any authority to treat a president this way. They are on the subject of pornstar NDAs now, what does that have to do with anything? That let you raid the president's lawyers office? Under who's authority? The abuses are plain to see and you ignore that to patiently wait for the results of said abuse. I don't, I think it's crazy and the collapse of reason. What did those early morning raids produce? Do you know? There is no evidence for anything. You could say he's saving the good stuff for the end but if he had anything this would be over tomorrow. That's the whole point of the investigation and he's still looking. They have been hiding shit good for a year and a half, and under constant assault as well lol. That's either top tier espionage or the counsel is being used to cover up something else.

I don't understand because I don't take it at face value I guess. Oh people were indicted and arrested must be legit. I know why those people plead guilty. It's because they're being broken down into financial ruin like a mob family, their families are being targeted like Flynn's son. Picking off his lieutenants, that's how people see this? #GETTHEDON? That's literal mafia shit lol.  I know that the people arrested have nothing to do with Russians interfering with elections. I know what the "lies and stories" consist of, it's all public for anyone to see. Illegally leaked by federal agents, unjustly unmasking people and feeding it into the media stream. How do we all know so much about this independent counsel investigation? Waiting for the results?! We get it real time because of Comey Ultra Hurricane, the fools turned twitter resistance heroes. What a joke. This shit is highly illegal and unlawful lmao. And they are brazen about it, it's incredible. The ends justify the means. I just want one piece of evidence that says this entire operation isnt bullshit.

 

Thank you for your honest answer though, I appreciate it. We don't know, you're right. I havent seen this mountain of evidence, that's all i'm saying. I have seen many abuses of power on the other end though.



SuaveSocialist said:
H.E.R. said:
Why is the tax plan a positive for Trump?

Deficit is growing...
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-republicans-growing-deficit/

...while wage growth is still anemic.
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

And corporations are using their new money on stock buybacks at a record rate.
http://time.com/money/5267940/companies-spending-trump-tax-cuts-stock-buybacks/

Because Dear Leader is so hilariously unaccomplished that whenever he actually does something they need to call it a win.

Meanwhile, in Reality, he's only made things worse for his country and those unfortunate enough to live there.

And that doesn't even come close to all he has destroyed. Look at his environmental policies and his horrid attempts to cover up the truth.



Smear-Gel said:
Snoopy said:

but still practices capitalism and showing how useless socialism is especially when it comes to the economy.

The whole point is that an ideal situation for a country involves having a mixture of multiple economic styles as going into just one is usually less than ideal. 

Agreed. History has shown that both extremes have no long term future. Communism has collapsed and the current form of capitalism is on its way out. I've written on here several times about a Capunism economic system. One that allows entrepreneurship to flourish, while still being able to take care of your fellow man who doesn't have the skills, opportunities or inclination to "be their own boss". This will only be possible in the long term if societies adopt a close to 100% transparency economic model, so that corruption in said country is eliminated. When a government agency like the Pentagon can't account for 6.5 Trillion of tax payer dollars (2015), while at the same time lots of Americans live below the poverty line, something isn't right!! Transparency so every citizen knows where EVERY single tax payer dollar goes, means less corruption and more accountability which equals a fairer society. Same goes for other countries where billions of taxpayer's money goes missing. This needs to be woven into a future Capunist economic model.



CartBlanche said:
Smear-Gel said:

The whole point is that an ideal situation for a country involves having a mixture of multiple economic styles as going into just one is usually less than ideal. 

Agreed. History has shown that both extremes have no long term future. Communism has collapsed and the current form of capitalism is on its way out. I've written on here several times about a Capunism economic system. One that allows entrepreneurship to flourish, while still being able to take care of your fellow man who doesn't have the skills, opportunities or inclination to "be their own boss". This will only be possible in the long term if societies adopt a close to 100% transparency economic model, so that corruption in said country is eliminated. When a government agency like the Pentagon can't account for 6.5 Trillion of tax payer dollars (2015), while at the same time lots of Americans live below the poverty line, something isn't right!! Transparency so every citizen knows where EVERY single tax payer dollar goes, means less corruption and more accountability which equals a fairer society. Same goes for other countries where billions of taxpayer's money goes missing. This needs to be woven into a future Capunist economic model.

Definition of capitalism

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Definition of communism

1 a : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
b : a theory advocating elimination of private property

  These two forms of economy literally counteract each other. Capitalism promotes an open market for improvements, whereas Communism just takes everything and worries little to nothing about sustainable growth. This idea that they can be woven together and work is downright insanity. Capitalism is based on gaining off of greed while benefiting others in the market, whereas the other is based on taking in the name of greed and not doing jack shit about society. One of these economies have given a country an economic stranglehold in the world economy, the other was used by the Soviet Union and failed drastically.