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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Superman4 said:
Runa216 said:
I'm honestly baffled that not only do people still support trump but will do so many mental gymnastics to exonerate he and the republican party in the face of the terrible, terrible things they're doing on a regular basis.

It's astonishing how far people will go to support their side even when their side is clearly wrong, then blanket blame the opposition and irrationally buy into the blatant lies told by the administration. Like, Trump lies. a lot. So goddamn much. and yet people still believe him when he says things. He's a tribalist prick who seems to think he's at war with reality and people are taking up arms for him against...the media? How could it be more clear he's just opposing everyone who disagrees with him? Have you EVER seen him take responsibility for the things he's said or apologize or even acknowledge when he's been outright proven wrong?

Trump is like that kid in class who keeps saying his uncle works for Nintendo. Full of shit and lacking in any sense of self-awareness or responsibility for his actions.

You mean like spending tax payer money to support illegals? Allow for the killing of babies after they are born? Give terrorist countries billions, sell Russia Uranium which allows them to not only build more nukes but takes away from our supply leaving us at a disadvantage? Allow for idiotic laws allowing for more than 2 genders and the ability to not put down what sex your baby is when its born? 

 

The Dems and liberals are true nut jobs. Its the policies and beliefs that have gone so radical that pushed me out of that party. You dont get criminals to stop doing crime by paying them just like you dont stop gun violence by taking away guns. Trump has already done more good for this country than any president for the past 20 years. The Dems are literally saying no to anything he says even when they have not only agreed with him in the recent past but have voted for things he is pushing now. They are the butt hurt kids that would rather starve than take food from someone they are mad at.

This is why we can't have nice things. Every single one of these examples are strawman arguments spewed by the right to make the left look like baby-killing monsters. literally none of this is true and I'm shocked more people aren't calling you and your ilk on gross misrepresentation of reality. 

When you have to make up stories and flat-out lie about LITERAL BABY MURDER to make your opponents look worse than you, then maybe you should try not being a shit person. 

And yes, when republicans are trying to take healthcare and support away from veterans and children and want to give power to racists and various other scumbag groups, you can be damn sure the libs/dems refuse him everything. They refuse everything because everything he proposes is fucking terrible. If Trump suggested even one good, reasonable, rational, sensible, compassionate thing in his presidency...then yeah, some concessions could be made. Until then, yes, we're going to continue to RESIST THE PERSON TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD A WORSE PLACE FOR ALL BUT THE UBER RICH. 

Holy shit, people, I hate assuming ill will or ignorance or brainwashing but sometimes I'm shocked at how ignorant some people are and how unable they seem to be to actually, I dunno, FACT CHECK their details. Almost everything the republicans claim the democras are doing/have done is either a GROSS misrepresentation of the truth, a pure fabrication, or a byproduct of fundamental ignorance of the facts. 

That's how "we're allowing abortion" turns to "KILL ALL BABIES! EVEN AFTER THEY'RE BORN!" 

That's how "we think people should be entitled to healthcare" turns into "OBAMA WANTS THE RICH TO PAY FOR THE POOR TO GET HEALTHCARE!" 

That's how "Maybe we should let gays marry" is translated in the mind of the right as "YOU ARE RUINING MARRIGE AND GAYNESS WILL LEAD TO THE APOCALYPSE!"

That's how "you know, happy holidays means the same to people of every faith" is misconstrued as "WAR ON CHRISTMAS! THEY ARE TAKING AWAY OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!"

And That's how "You know, illegal immigrants are bad but they're still just people trying to find a better life for themselves" is somehow seen as "DEMS ARE PAYING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND DER TEKER JERBS!"

You know how pitifully stupid you sound when you do this, right? Like, you can't be so completely devoid of self-awareness that you don't see how ignorant you come across every time you blatantly and aggressively shout about baby-killing, god-hating, libtard fags and how they're ruining the world. It's befuddling how 'maybe we should be better to one another and try our best to make everyone happy' is somehow translated into a manifesto about taking your freedoms and removing your liberty and controlling your thoughts. all because we said you should be less racist, respect women more, treat gays and trans folk as real people, and respect the religions of others. 

I read one of my favorite quotes this morning:  "You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a more persistent group than men of privilege who think they're the underdogs." 

It's ignorant, it's dangerous, and the things you've said here, superman4, are a well-encapsulated example of the mental sickness that plagues this continent. Do some damn research before spouting off such disgusting, outright false lies, mmkay? 



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CaptainExplosion said:
Runa216 said:

This is why we can't have nice things. Every single one of these examples are strawman arguments spewed by the right to make the left look like baby-killing monsters. literally none of this is true and I'm shocked more people aren't calling you and your ilk on gross misrepresentation of reality. 

When you have to make up stories and flat-out lie about LITERAL BABY MURDER to make your opponents look worse than you, then maybe you should try not being a shit person. 

And yes, when republicans are trying to take healthcare and support away from veterans and children and want to give power to racists and various other scumbag groups, you can be damn sure the libs/dems refuse him everything. They refuse everything because everything he proposes is fucking terrible. If Trump suggested even one good, reasonable, rational, sensible, compassionate thing in his presidency...then yeah, some concessions could be made. Until then, yes, we're going to continue to RESIST THE PERSON TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD A WORSE PLACE FOR ALL BUT THE UBER RICH. 

Holy shit, people, I hate assuming ill will or ignorance or brainwashing but sometimes I'm shocked at how ignorant some people are and how unable they seem to be to actually, I dunno, FACT CHECK their details. Almost everything the republicans claim the democras are doing/have done is either a GROSS misrepresentation of the truth, a pure fabrication, or a byproduct of fundamental ignorance of the facts. 

That's how "we're allowing abortion" turns to "KILL ALL BABIES! EVEN AFTER THEY'RE BORN!" 

That's how "we think people should be entitled to healthcare" turns into "OBAMA WANTS THE RICH TO PAY FOR THE POOR TO GET HEALTHCARE!" 

That's how "Maybe we should let gays marry" is translated in the mind of the right as "YOU ARE RUINING MARRIGE AND GAYNESS WILL LEAD TO THE APOCALYPSE!"

That's how "you know, happy holidays means the same to people of every faith" is misconstrued as "WAR ON CHRISTMAS! THEY ARE TAKING AWAY OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!"

And That's how "You know, illegal immigrants are bad but they're still just people trying to find a better life for themselves" is somehow seen as "DEMS ARE PAYING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND DER TEKER JERBS!"

You know how pitifully stupid you sound when you do this, right? Like, you can't be so completely devoid of self-awareness that you don't see how ignorant you come across every time you blatantly and aggressively shout about baby-killing, god-hating, libtard fags and how they're ruining the world. It's befuddling how 'maybe we should be better to one another and try our best to make everyone happy' is somehow translated into a manifesto about taking your freedoms and removing your liberty and controlling your thoughts. all because we said you should be less racist, respect women more, treat gays and trans folk as real people, and respect the religions of others. 

I read one of my favorite quotes this morning:  "You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a more persistent group than men of privilege who think they're the underdogs." 

It's ignorant, it's dangerous, and the things you've said here, superman4, are a well-encapsulated example of the mental sickness that plagues this continent. Do some damn research before spouting off such disgusting, outright false lies, mmkay? 

Just report him. -_-

IF being ignorant was a bannable offense half this board would have been permabanned ages ago. 

I might be banned for making that claim, but holy shit I'm not wrong. 



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Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Consider this the mantra of the Trump supporter.  Its better to live a lie then face reality.

1. Its a total lie, never happened, fake new3s

2. It happened but its not a big deal

3. Ok, it might be a big deal but its isn't illegal

4. okay it's illegal but Hillary and Obama something something , so it's ok.

5. Get over it Libtard, you're just a sore loser!!

The thing that always makes me chuckle is that its all or nothing.  In other words, its as if they admit that he has done anything wrong, they would have to face the mountain of things he has done wrong.  Its pretty much why they will defend anything and everything he does because once a crack happens within that wall of denial then the whole dam will break.

You guys have to realize that most people in this thread are not Trump supporters but it is one thing to not be a Trump supporter and its something totally different to go in here making comments that are childish and an exaggeration of the truth,it is easy to understand why people think the left has gone nuts when these vocal hardmouths(on the internet) can not find anything more constructive to spent their time on than bringing up this highschool bully attitude and spewing on people that do like some things trump does.

Here is a bunch of people fighting their own side because they do not want to participate in that behaviour.

But i agree with you that none needs to generalise a group because a few behave wrongly and the same attitude also exists elsewhere.

I will say I just wanted to throw out that bullet point because I thought it was funny more than trying to paint anyone within the thread having those qualities.  Even thought in my last paragraph I talk about the cult like mentality I will agree its not singled to just someone who support Trump.  That type of mentality is a cult like behavior which can be exhibited by any group.

Interesting enough, before Trump first year, my brother and I thought that Trump actually could bring some type of change to the president office because he was neither Dem or Republican and if he played things right could venture across party lines.  That all went to hell once he got into office and basically played the same play book as he has done before public office.

Can Trump do good, yes.  Does that mean he has the qualification for a complex job as being President of the United States, hell no.



Superman4 said:
Runa216 said:
I'm honestly baffled that not only do people still support trump but will do so many mental gymnastics to exonerate he and the republican party in the face of the terrible, terrible things they're doing on a regular basis.

It's astonishing how far people will go to support their side even when their side is clearly wrong, then blanket blame the opposition and irrationally buy into the blatant lies told by the administration. Like, Trump lies. a lot. So goddamn much. and yet people still believe him when he says things. He's a tribalist prick who seems to think he's at war with reality and people are taking up arms for him against...the media? How could it be more clear he's just opposing everyone who disagrees with him? Have you EVER seen him take responsibility for the things he's said or apologize or even acknowledge when he's been outright proven wrong?

Trump is like that kid in class who keeps saying his uncle works for Nintendo. Full of shit and lacking in any sense of self-awareness or responsibility for his actions.

You mean like spending tax payer money to support illegals? Allow for the killing of babies after they are born? Give terrorist countries billions, sell Russia Uranium which allows them to not only build more nukes but takes away from our supply leaving us at a disadvantage? Allow for idiotic laws allowing for more than 2 genders and the ability to not put down what sex your baby is when its born? 

 

The Dems and liberals are true nut jobs. Its the policies and beliefs that have gone so radical that pushed me out of that party. You dont get criminals to stop doing crime by paying them just like you dont stop gun violence by taking away guns. Trump has already done more good for this country than any president for the past 20 years. The Dems are literally saying no to anything he says even when they have not only agreed with him in the recent past but have voted for things he is pushing now. They are the butt hurt kids that would rather starve than take food from someone they are mad at.

First bolded:After they are born? Can you eleborate or do you have a link to some information on that cause i find it hard to believe that would happen to healthy babies.

Second bolded: Every group has radical people in it,  to claim it mirrors to all of them is untrue and shuts down conversation.

Third bolded: You never fully stop anything but it might discourage people from using a gun and it might give them more time to overthink what they're about to do if it will be harder to own a gun in case of some mental breakdown shootings .



CaptainExplosion said:
Runa216 said:

IF being ignorant was a bannable offense half this board would have been permabanned ages ago. 

I might be banned for making that claim, but holy shit I'm not wrong. 

Well he's deliberately being ignorant to disrupt the thread, and called you a libtard, so how can you not report him?

I'm not going to tattle on someone because they called me a name. I'm not so insecure I can't handle criticism; I'm an adult. 

Is it sad and pathetic? yes. It is. But I'm not gonna go crying because he called me a name. (Honestly I didn't even realize he called me that, I was too focused on getting angry about him spreading dangerously false claims as truth.) 



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Runa216 said:
Superman4 said:

You mean like spending tax payer money to support illegals? Allow for the killing of babies after they are born? Give terrorist countries billions, sell Russia Uranium which allows them to not only build more nukes but takes away from our supply leaving us at a disadvantage? Allow for idiotic laws allowing for more than 2 genders and the ability to not put down what sex your baby is when its born? 

 

The Dems and liberals are true nut jobs. Its the policies and beliefs that have gone so radical that pushed me out of that party. You dont get criminals to stop doing crime by paying them just like you dont stop gun violence by taking away guns. Trump has already done more good for this country than any president for the past 20 years. The Dems are literally saying no to anything he says even when they have not only agreed with him in the recent past but have voted for things he is pushing now. They are the butt hurt kids that would rather starve than take food from someone they are mad at.

This is why we can't have nice things. Every single one of these examples are strawman arguments spewed by the right to make the left look like baby-killing monsters. literally none of this is true and I'm shocked more people aren't calling you and your ilk on gross misrepresentation of reality. 

When you have to make up stories and flat-out lie about LITERAL BABY MURDER to make your opponents look worse than you, then maybe you should try not being a shit person. 

And yes, when republicans are trying to take healthcare and support away from veterans and children and want to give power to racists and various other scumbag groups, you can be damn sure the libs/dems refuse him everything. They refuse everything because everything he proposes is fucking terrible. If Trump suggested even one good, reasonable, rational, sensible, compassionate thing in his presidency...then yeah, some concessions could be made. Until then, yes, we're going to continue to RESIST THE PERSON TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD A WORSE PLACE FOR ALL BUT THE UBER RICH. 

Holy shit, people, I hate assuming ill will or ignorance or brainwashing but sometimes I'm shocked at how ignorant some people are and how unable they seem to be to actually, I dunno, FACT CHECK their details. Almost everything the republicans claim the democras are doing/have done is either a GROSS misrepresentation of the truth, a pure fabrication, or a byproduct of fundamental ignorance of the facts. 

That's how "we're allowing abortion" turns to "KILL ALL BABIES! EVEN AFTER THEY'RE BORN!" 

That's how "we think people should be entitled to healthcare" turns into "OBAMA WANTS THE RICH TO PAY FOR THE POOR TO GET HEALTHCARE!" 

That's how "Maybe we should let gays marry" is translated in the mind of the right as "YOU ARE RUINING MARRIGE AND GAYNESS WILL LEAD TO THE APOCALYPSE!"

That's how "you know, happy holidays means the same to people of every faith" is misconstrued as "WAR ON CHRISTMAS! THEY ARE TAKING AWAY OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!"

And That's how "You know, illegal immigrants are bad but they're still just people trying to find a better life for themselves" is somehow seen as "DEMS ARE PAYING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND DER TEKER JERBS!"

You know how pitifully stupid you sound when you do this, right? Like, you can't be so completely devoid of self-awareness that you don't see how ignorant you come across every time you blatantly and aggressively shout about baby-killing, god-hating, libtard fags and how they're ruining the world. It's befuddling how 'maybe we should be better to one another and try our best to make everyone happy' is somehow translated into a manifesto about taking your freedoms and removing your liberty and controlling your thoughts. all because we said you should be less racist, respect women more, treat gays and trans folk as real people, and respect the religions of others. 

I read one of my favorite quotes this morning:  "You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a more persistent group than men of privilege who think they're the underdogs." 

It's ignorant, it's dangerous, and the things you've said here, superman4, are a well-encapsulated example of the mental sickness that plagues this continent. Do some damn research before spouting off such disgusting, outright false lies, mmkay? 

My gosh this was beautifully put!! Thank you!!



Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

You guys have to realize that most people in this thread are not Trump supporters but it is one thing to not be a Trump supporter and its something totally different to go in here making comments that are childish and an exaggeration of the truth,it is easy to understand why people think the left has gone nuts when these vocal hardmouths(on the internet) can not find anything more constructive to spent their time on than bringing up this highschool bully attitude and spewing on people that do like some things trump does.

Here is a bunch of people fighting their own side because they do not want to participate in that behaviour.

But i agree with you that none needs to generalise a group because a few behave wrongly and the same attitude also exists elsewhere.

I will say I just wanted to throw out that bullet point because I thought it was funny more than trying to paint anyone within the thread having those qualities.  Even thought in my last paragraph I talk about the cult like mentality I will agree its not singled to just someone who support Trump.  That type of mentality is a cult like behavior which can be exhibited by any group.

Interesting enough, before Trump first year, my brother and I thought that Trump actually could bring some type of change to the president office because he was neither Dem or Republican and if he played things right could venture across party lines.  That all went to hell once he got into office and basically played the same play book as he has done before public office.

Can Trump do good, yes.  Does that mean he has the qualification for a complex job as being President of the United States, hell no.

That's a nice and grounded reaction of you and i agree with it.

yeah i think a lot of people thought that voting for him meant voting for no puppet as president and Hillary did not have the perfect image herself to compete with him,American elections are also such a fake show that it sometimes leaves people clueless on what to think and on who to vote for.



cycycychris said:

Thread Warning!

The back seat moderating ends here.

Also cut out the flaming and name calling.We are more than capable of having a civil discussion in this thread.

Are we, though? When certain people are outright claiming all democrats murder babies, can we really be civil? This person is not only lying but lying in a way to stoke the flames and incite anger and hatred while being outright prejudiced...and that's somehow okay? But calling him out on this hateful, terrible, outright false and damaging rhetoric is not? 

I say close the thread. 



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Runa216 said:
cycycychris said:

Thread Warning!

The back seat moderating ends here.

Also cut out the flaming and name calling.We are more than capable of having a civil discussion in this thread.

Are we, though? When certain people are outright claiming all democrats murder babies, can we really be civil? This person is not only lying but lying in a way to stoke the flames and incite anger and hatred while being outright prejudiced...and that's somehow okay? But calling him out on this hateful, terrible, outright false and damaging rhetoric is not? 

I say close the thread. 

This thread has gone there before and also claiming evil on republicans from the very beginning of its existence,i do not see you calling them out.

Ofcourse that is in your rights to do so but asking to close the thread because of the "damaging rhetoric" from only one side of the extreme thinking people in here feels a bit strange to me,i also do not think the damaging rhetoric will convert people to believing the same.

Anyway can you eleborate on why some think that democrats want to murder babies or where it stems from ,cause i find it hard to find info on it and you seem to know more about it?



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Pretty much yup. The initial reply was just as insightful.

Trump doesn't care about the left? That's a pretty bold claim. Either people accomplish something or they don't? You mean like if both sides have to compromise to make a deal happen, which is typical, and yet Trump always get's bashed for doing just that? Well when the left always blames the right, I'm not sure why it would be odd for the right to blame the left? Wanna know who made a mic drop big point? Obama, when he pointed out that at least he got to be President. Wait a minute...

Who was it that was blaming the Left as a barometer of Trump accomplishment.  You used it as some type of statement to make it appear no matter what Trump does the left will find fault.  The question to you would be why would Trump care what the left consider an accomplishment.  When has Trump ever cared about what the left consider as an  accomplishment.  He has always did what he believe his base wants, so your whole defense was a total straw man argument. 

Its as if you want someone to pity Trump.  No one pities a President.  Its one of the toughest jobs on the planet and if the person who seeks that Job isn't ready for constant bashing every president gets then maybe they should seek another job.

I don't know, who was it? It surely wasn't me, as I did not say Trump accomplished anything. Well will they? So far since he's become Prez that's been the overwhelming trend. Isn't that part of the reason why it's claimed that climate change is an immediate threat? Trends over time? I never said anything about Trump hating the left for what they deem as a accomplishment, I said it's a bold claim to say he doesn't care about the left. He cares about his daughter and she's known/seen as a liberal. 

It's as if I want fairness and equality, so often preached by the left. Yet the large majority of what's thrown at Trump is negative hate. Bashing the Prez for doing something stupid is one thing, but bashing him because of things such as his skin color, well, not sure how the left think the right will come to terms with them if they won't live by their own creed.



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