You do know he turned down that deal already right.  There were a few deals that hit the senate floor in 2018 with exactly that but it also included a path to citizenship for Dreamers.  Trump administration turned them all down.  In other words we have been here before.  Look up the USA Act and the McCain Coons bill.  There was another one I cannot remember the name but I believe Senator Lindsay Graham brought that one up and was also turned down.  Actually during that time, Graham was called all kinds of names from the White House before he had his transformation into Trump #1 cheerleader today.

None of the reform bills have ever passed either the house or the Senate and lets be honest, neither will this one.  Neither the Dems nor the GOP really want immigration reform because America is built on cheap labor.  Its a Billion dollar industry and both sides always find a way to turn down a bill.  Congress has played this game for decades and they really are fine with no solution. 

Trump isn't trying to build a wall from coast to coast.  Of the 2K miles of unprotected border he is looking to build a wall for 200 miles.  So for 200 miles, this project will take what 5 to 10 years.  Its not even clear if Trump will even get to build that wall for that stretch of the border because a lot of that land is owned.  So now you are going to have a crap ton of lawsuits on eminent domain claims which could lock up a lot of that in court for years.  The government will need to provide a lot of documentation on why taking away this land from the owners is necessary.  One thing the Trump administration has a very crap record on is providing their due process in documentation on policy issues challenged within courts.  The 5.7 Billion is just an estimate that hasn't even been cost analyzed yet.  They still have not even done that work.  Even if they win the eminent domain claim, next they will have to pay for the land purchased which is not included in that cost.  

As to your reference to Israel wall, well others have a much different opinion on that one.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/01/donald-trump-wrong-israel-security-wall-170129075510513.html

I like this quote from the article which pretty much points to the wall Trump want to build.  The Israel wall is no more complete as this 200 mile wall will be and it's purpose is pretty much on the same lines.

"An incomplete wall is about as effective as a mosquito net that covers two-thirds of you. Would you buy one to protect you?"

Also if you do more research on Israel wall you will find a bunch of photos of people using a ladder to scale it with no problems.  

So the Dems couldn't honestly deny the offer. Gotcha. Both points stand. The Dems won't deal if the Gov re-opens and Trump won't get a deal if he doesn't use leverage. So the Dems think by not playing ball this time, that Trump will 'learn' and never try it again? Ok, because history has proven that to be the case with him, never.

You should take it as my opinion, since my opinion was also that the perfect polls that stated Trump couldn't possibly become Prez even if he rigged the vote we're wrong, and not only were they wrong, they were way off. Trump nor the Dems or MSM seems to have changed, so what makes you think the polls have?

Trump says a lot of things, can't argue that. You want me to prove to you where he does try to deal, which I already pointed out, and your going to prove to me he's avoided dealing at times in the past, and that's supposed to change my mind about the Dems not wanting a deal when it comes to the wall right now? What?

People like me? If it doesn't effect the majority as a whole, then no, it's not that big of a deal. Democracy right? Majority rules? No? The fact you keep assuming I'm so self centered, just makes me think that's how you think about yourself, and your projecting that onto me. The people were already getting tired of winning plus tired of hearing the left complain and figured if they gave them a little power, but not enough to really do any harm, they just might tone it down. Boy were they wrong. After being trained so well by the MSM and their consistent repetitive agenda based talking points, if you keep agreeing with me, I'm going to actually start thinking your a far right winger, or even worse...

Well it is bit weird to be against immigrants but at the same time you have white people at the moment screwing over 800.000 people and be serious those people will love to pay taxes if it gives them citizenship.  At the moment it are people who pay a small share of their income to taxes are the ones getting citizenship :p.


Anyway

You mean a household already spending $42,000 per year with an annual deficit of already $8,600 (which means $33,400 income) and already $220,000 in debt.

Yeah, that puts it in perspective. With over six times debt than annual income and the debts growing fast instead of decreasing the alarm bell should ring 24/7 and every buck spent with a vague benefit sometimes in the future should be talked about.

The USA (and most other countries) are living way beyond their means and future generations will be totally f*cked. The US national debt per citizen is already at $66.867 on average... plus $59.215 personal debt per citizen on average... plus the stat debt per citizen... plus the debt of your town/city/village per citizen.

The debt is not an issue but the interest on the debt is, the total amount of interest paid by the goverment was +200 billion in 2017 and in 2018 it was estimated to pass by 350 billion. They expected it to be at 600 billion around 2025 but it could be 900 billion at this rate. To put it into perspective, that would be more than the cost of the Military or Medicaid. It is simple if you have a budget of 2500 billion and you need to cut 600/900 billion from it you don't have much left. It would be so wise to cut the cost/increase the taxes but it would hurt the markets and the economy now instead of later.

Edit:  With 900 billion you could build a wall around the USA!

Can't post the graph:  

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/business/economy/us-government-debt-interest.html

That's why I said he has to step it up if he wants that wall. He offered limited protection for the DACA recipients.

In my opinion, this kind of thinking "If it doesn't stop everything, then it's not worth doing" is bullshit. Might as well abolish the law in general because it doesn't stop everything. Get rid of the stop signs. Stoplights. Crosswalks. It doesn't really stop people from ignoring it and it's just a waste of effort.

So now the shutdown is ended well for three weeks. I really wonder what's going to happen with the debate about the debt ceiling that follow end february beings march.

Bombshell: yet ANOTHER one of Beloved Leader’s collaborators has been indicted. Roger Stone has been charged with multiple crimes by the Mueller Investigation, including witness tampering and obstruction of an official proceeding.

Beloved Leader is running out of allies; those he hasn’t driven away by his incompetent fake leadership keep getting themselves arrested.

What does this mean for Beloved Leader’s Stupid Shutdown? Obviously, it means he will log into Twitter and angrily fail the Turing Test over and over again, as is tradition. It also means his opposition is even stronger and have less reason to humor the Gang Of Pussygrabbers, let alone submit to their infantile demands.

It is clear that Beloved Leader’s regime is in decline; their sphere of influence is shrinking and Mueller’s net is tightening around Kim-Jong Drumpf. Individual 1 should quit while he’s behind.