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Forums - Sales - Japan sales (Week 47): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 20-26, 2017

Qwark on 29 November 2017
Nautilus said:
Qwark said:

 

This is the biggest year for PS4 thus far so I think it will do the same numbers as PS3. Japan simply doesn't care all thst much about Playstation anymore. And Playstation actually wants to do great in the rest of the world, but doesnt see Ja pan as an essential market. Sony tried with games like Bloodborne, Persona 5 and Ni-Oh and Nier Automata but all they did was show that more typical Japanese games can also do well outside of Japan. While not doin all that well inside of it. Point is Japan is to much of a special market for Sony's global focus.

But I wasnt talking about global sales.WW is obvious that Sony is doing extremely well.My question is for japan.Wether WW is more important or not its not the point.The point is that Sony has "lost" japan.At least it looks that way.

Sony has lost Japan since 2006, except for the PSP. Ever since that year sales have been bad for PS homeconsoles. This year is the best year for the PS4 in Japan and worldwide. The PS3 and PS4 have sold the same amount of units when you align launches.

On an unrelated note you don't need Japan to still sell a shot load of consoles.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

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zorg1000 on 29 November 2017
Megiddo said:
Nautilus said:

This kind of post will only derail the thread.Please dont start this.

Huh? How is that? It was also the right move for Sony to cede the handheld market to Nintendo. Both companies are focusing on their strengths which means they'll both prosper.

I dont see anything wrong with what you said.



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Megiddo on 29 November 2017
Nautilus said:
Megiddo said:

Huh? How is that? It was also the right move for Sony to cede the handheld market to Nintendo. Both companies are focusing on their strengths which means they'll both prosper.

Because the Switch is not a handheld, its a hybrid.And then it will start all that discussion about if it is or not.Just let it re4st.

I mean if hybrid is to mean that it's a handheld with HDMI output and controllers that detatch then sure it's a hybrid. Don't think there would be any argument about that.



TheBraveGallade on 29 November 2017
Qwark said:
Nautilus said:

But I wasnt talking about global sales.WW is obvious that Sony is doing extremely well.My question is for japan.Wether WW is more important or not its not the point.The point is that Sony has "lost" japan.At least it looks that way.

Sony has lost Japan since 2006, except for the PSP. Ever since that year sales have been bad for PS homeconsoles. This year is the best year for the PS4 in Japan and worldwide. The PS3 and PS4 have sold the same amount of units when you align launches.

On an unrelated note you don't need Japan to still sell a shot load of consoles.

Ps3 sold well in japan, its just that it had actual competition.the 360 being a niche but still viable pick and the wii... being the wii, and also considering the fact that the ds/psp was powerful enough so that lots of games erre made on them instead.

 The things is, the ps4 is starting to trail behind  theps3 despite the fact that it had no competition untill the this year...



Miyamotoo on 29 November 2017
StuOhQ said:
Miyamotoo said:

Switch start entering beast mode, 3m sold Switch units at end of this year seems like lock now.

Also:
02./03. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 77.751 / 792.059 (+25%)
04./06. [NSW] Splatoon 2 # (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - 30.275 / 1.373.530 (+21%)
07./09. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980) - 18.846 / 837.850 (+14%)
08./11. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 15.162 / 657.015 (+116%)

Fiscal year or calendar year? Fiscal year, it just has to run average numbers to get there with ease. Even under supply constraints similar to earlier in the year, it will still hit 3M by March. 

Calendar year (January 1st) is still definitely doable if Nintendo didn't spend their entire supply this week. It needs ~600k to get there over 5 weeks. 120k a week is possible... if Nintendo can produce the units. 

The real question is: how "over" are the shortages? I have no doubt the Switch could move another 800k units by January 1st if they were available. 

Calendar year of course. If we had almost 150k in November we will definitely have bigger shipments during December, Nintendo always have biggest shipments during December, we will probably start seeing 200k+ weeks maybe even 300k+ or 400k+ if supply is there. They couple times said they increased production and that they intend to ship around 7m consoles during calendar Q4.



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Megiddo on 29 November 2017

I think Sony is fine with losing Japan if they dominate Europe. They already made attempts at handhelds and they could not beat Nintendo in that market.



irstupid on 29 November 2017
Matsku said:

Damn those Switch and Odyssey numbers. But it was pretty expected black friday week and all. Even If it's not as big in Japan the US and Europe stock increase should affect Japan also.

I would have thought Japan would hurt due to black Friday. You know allocate shipments to US to take advantage of the big shopping day.

Train wreck said:
TheBraveGallade said:
The interesting part here is "what will japanese 3rd party do?" Smaller Traditionally ps4/vita/PC devs like idea factory will probably jump en masse to switch, maybe in a couple years will not even bother with a ps4 version. And bigger devs would be stupid not to at least make games for it. In fact I could see the next dragon quest going switch EXCLUSIVE because all that really matters for DQ is japanese sales.
And the big thing is if sony starts losing japanese 3rd party exclusivity, its going to be sandwhiched between the xbone S with its 4k blu ray and shared 3rd party, and the switch with ninty titles and all that japanese support even if a lot of it is shared.

Still funny to see comments like these.  Sony is getting their ass kicked in Japan hardware wise, have been since forever YET they are still able to take back Dragon Quest after 10 years; have an exclusive, big budget (ironic) Monster Hunter, it still gets all the Final Fantasy games, still has Kingdom Hearts, Personas...pretty all the major (and minor) Japan 3rd party games, they continue to steal exclusives from Nintendo like Resident Evil Revelations BUTTTTT the switch is going to change all that.  Classic.

Then you top it off with the Xbox S nonsense. 

You should re-read your comment and be scared. What you say is true, yet sounds very arrogant. Like it don't matter the PS will get every game and always get every game. The Switch selling as it is and not being as gimmicky as the Wii was will "steal" back some of those franchises. If games like MH World don't light up the charts beyond belief you will see them migrate back.

Just look at the indie games right now. Seems every week a new topic is created because some indie dev is saying their game sold more on the Switch than all of the other consoles combined, or it sold 10x more on switch than it did on steam.

It's not just the console sales numbers that are surprising people for the switch. It's software is selling insanely well. That is the big difference between Switch and the Wii. Wii sold gangbusters, but that didn't translate into much success for many in the software field.



Nautilus on 29 November 2017
Qwark said:
Nautilus said:

But I wasnt talking about global sales.WW is obvious that Sony is doing extremely well.My question is for japan.Wether WW is more important or not its not the point.The point is that Sony has "lost" japan.At least it looks that way.

Sony has lost Japan since 2006, except for the PSP. Ever since that year sales have been bad for PS homeconsoles. This year is the best year for the PS4 in Japan and worldwide. The PS3 and PS4 have sold the same amount of units when you align launches.

On an unrelated note you don't need Japan to still sell a shot load of consoles.

Yeah, I agree.The pS4 has been selling gangbusters without for the most part Japan.But I dont think its right to start saying that "Sony dosent need Japan" because no company wants to lose a territory, or sell bad in one.The same way that I think that Nintendo wants to improve its brand recognition in Europe, Sony prefers if it also sold well in Japan.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus on 29 November 2017
Megiddo said:
Nautilus said:

Because the Switch is not a handheld, its a hybrid.And then it will start all that discussion about if it is or not.Just let it re4st.

I mean if hybrid is to mean that it's a handheld with HDMI output and controllers that detatch then sure it's a hybrid. Don't think there would be any argument about that.

Look, Im not going to start it, nor will I feed this, what will end up being, a flamming argumentation.

But in any case, outside of the whole point of the Switch being a hybrid, I dont think that any company wants to give a competitor a whole country.The same way that Nintendo wishes to sell better on Europe, as well as the PS4 sells there, Im certain that Sony would rather that the PS4 sold better in Japan.Saying that a company is ceding the market to another and vice versa is nonsense.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

ZODIARKrebirth on 29 November 2017

come on switch, where do you wanna go;)