Flilix said:
I guess it depends? Some women find clumsy men cute, other would be turned off by it. |
why did you cut off the weird part? its telling to me that you had to in order to try to force your argument
Flilix said:
I guess it depends? Some women find clumsy men cute, other would be turned off by it. |
why did you cut off the weird part? its telling to me that you had to in order to try to force your argument
o_O.Q said:
i don't think that's true, but even so you aren't describing attraction to the man in question but to money |
I think that Melania Trump proves my theory. In general women are attracted to confident, strong, funny and succesful men who are good looking. That doesn't mean that every straught woman finds that man very attractive. But let's face it the strong confident business man or athlete will have less trouble finding a girlfriend than the akward nerd.
But if you are not all that confident, but super funny and moderately looking, you can still be deemed attractive by more than a few women.
Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar
o_O.Q said:
how much experience do you have with women? do you have a girlfriend? |
I have a wife of almost 3 years that I asked if I could kiss for the first time on our third date. After that it was ok but I didn't want any awkwardness around the first kiss. I'd be curious to see polling data to show that women in general find such a thing repulsive and I just got lucky.
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o_O.Q said:
why did you cut off the weird part? its telling to me that you had to in order to try to force your argument |
Because 'weird' is a vague word. Its meaning can vary from 'a bit different from most people', to 'fucking creepy'.
Torillian said:
I have a wife of almost 3 years that I asked if I could kiss for the first time on our third date. After that it was ok but I didn't want any awkwardness around the first kiss. I'd be curious to see polling data to show that women in general find such a thing repulsive and I just got lucky. |
i acknowledge that behavior is not a universal thing... but i think there are general trends to behavior
Flilix said:
Because 'weird' is a vague word. Its meaning can vary from 'a bit different from most people', to 'fucking creepy'. |
what did you mean when you used it?
o_O.Q said:
" means that feminism is going to hurt women" yes denial that sexism is an intrinsic part of society hurts women... because women often have different needs than men and acknowledging that is by definition sexist since sexism by definition is to discriminate based on sex if every man for example started to become timid and asked for consent to kiss in every interaction with a woman, that hurts women would you agree?
" So because a Women thinks a story is offensive and sexist" anything that differentiates between men and women is going to be sexist... that's the meaning of that word, which seems to be lost on a lot of people now can you logically explain how the story has offended you?
"I'd like to say that some Men regard women as repulsive when asking for kisses" well if a guy finds a woman repulsive then i'm pretty sure he's not going to ask for a kiss... |
"yes denial that sexism is an intrinsic part of society hurts women... because women often have different needs than men and acknowledging that is by definition sexist since sexism by definition is to discriminate based on sex"
Obviously there will always be some sort of discrimination between the two different sexes, but feminists are trying to limit that as much as possible and allow women to be equal as men around the world. A world with less discrimination between the two sexes sounds pretty good imo.
"if every man for example started to become timid and asked for consent to kiss in every interaction with a woman, that hurts women would you agree?"
No, it doesn't hurt women.
"can you logically explain how the story has offended you?"
A Woman needed a man to save her.
"well if a guy finds a woman repulsive then i'm pretty sure he's not going to ask for a kiss..."
The point of my comment was that being repulsive to kisses happens on both sides and it's not only a woman thing.
o_O.Q said:
i acknowledge that behavior is not a universal thing... but i think there are general trends to behavior |
Absolutely, and claims about general trends require more than "that's my experience" unless you've romantically interacted with a statistically significant number of women. That's why I'd be curious to see polling on this topic, but I haven't found any yet.
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jason1637 said:
"yes denial that sexism is an intrinsic part of society hurts women... because women often have different needs than men and acknowledging that is by definition sexist since sexism by definition is to discriminate based on sex" Obviously there will always be some sort of discrimination between the two different sexes, but feminists are trying to limit that as much as possible and allow women to be equal as men around the world. A world with less discrimination between the two sexes sounds pretty good imo. "if every man for example started to become timid and asked for consent to kiss in every interaction with a woman, that hurts women would you agree?" No, it doesn't hurt women. "can you logically explain how the story has offended you?" A Woman needed a man to save her. "well if a guy finds a woman repulsive then i'm pretty sure he's not going to ask for a kiss..." The point of my comment was that being repulsive to kisses happens on both sides and it's not only a woman thing. |
"Obviously there will always be some sort of discrimination between the two different sexes, but feminists are trying to limit that as much as possible"
and that is starting to cause problems because the assumption is that men and women are fundamentally the same when they're not
"allow women to be equal as men around the world."
really? feminism is active primarily in first world countries where women have had equal rights for decades now... compare that to its presence in areas like saudi arabia for example
"No, it doesn't hurt women. "
ok, i accept your perspective on that
"A Woman needed a man to save her."
who is more likely to save who in a dangerous situation? a man or a woman?
with all of the recent sexual assault stories, it is primarily men that have been called upon to intervene, can you explain the reason for that?
http://www.campusanswers.com/campus-sexual-assault-men-allies/
and i'd just like to reflect on the irony of claiming that men and women are the same as many of these people do while also claiming that its offensive to see a man saving a woman... you get contradictions like that because at the subconscious level no one really believes a lot of this nonsense that's being pushed
"The point of my comment was that being repulsive to kisses happens on both sides and it's not only a woman thing."
when did i say that its a woman only thing?
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