She has a really good point however us as humans have changed the rules so many times.
Its as confusing as woman want chivalry yet want equal rights. Modern days is just a mess of rule changes etc.
She has a really good point however us as humans have changed the rules so many times.
Its as confusing as woman want chivalry yet want equal rights. Modern days is just a mess of rule changes etc.
o_O.Q said:
can you explain rationally how what i typed was stupid?... i'd bet my left arm that you can't |
It is in fact quite hard to distinguish Nacism from fascist communism. That's because the more extreme you get, the closer you get to a totalitarian regime where the policies don't serve the populace anymore and are therefore meaningless. That's why I would love to have a separate category for those extreme states. They may have come from different ideologies but end up being neither but something terrible.
Nacism comes from nationalism and racism and is therefore considered on the right spectrum, while communism comes from people centric social policies and is therefore considered left. But those are ideologies of old and are not really found within democratic states today. Rather we have two different left and right extremists which are routed less in political matters and more economical ones. The modern right is for freedom, (true) liberalism and self sufficiency, while the left is community centered, shared wealth and equality in all matters. Even the most extreme cases would stop at fascism, or at least would be stopped before it comes to that. So I think it's not fair to compare today's political ideologies with those of the past.
So to summarize, Nacism should not be considered right or left, but simply as "stupid". But it did evolve from far right ideologies so it's still weird to say that it's closer to the left than the right.
I realized that I didn't mention progressivism and conservatism which are nowadays pretty tied to left and right respectively. And of course there is religion which plays another important role but all that just muddies everything up and I don't think either of those things should be tied to left or right.
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vivster said:
It is in fact quite hard to distinguish Nacism from fascist communism. That's because the more extreme you get, the closer you get to a totalitarian regime where the policies don't serve the populace anymore and are therefore meaningless. That's why I would love to have a separate category for those extreme states. They may have come from different ideologies but end up being neither but something terrible. Nacism comes from nationalism and racism and is therefore considered on the right spectrum, while communism comes from people centric social policies and is therefore considered left. But those are ideologies of old and are not really found within democratic states today. Rather we have two different left and right extremists which are routed less in political matters and more economical ones. The modern right is for freedom, (true) liberalism and self sufficiency, while the left is community centered, shared wealth and equality in all matters. Even the most extreme cases would stop at fascism, or at least would be stopped before it comes to that. So I think it's not fair to compare today's political ideologies with those of the past. So to summarize, Nacism should not be considered right or left, but simply as "stupid". But it did evolve from far right ideologies so it's still weird to say that it's closer to the left than the right.
I realized that I didn't mention progressivism and conservatism which are nowadays pretty tied to left and right respectively. And of course there is religion which plays another important role but all that just muddies everything up and I don't think either of those things should be tied to left or right. |
"Nacism comes from nationalism and racism and is therefore considered on the right spectrum, while communism comes from people centric social policies and is therefore considered left."
hitler pushed many people centric social policies, some of which i have already listed in this thread
off the top of my head : free socialised health, employment for all, public education etc etc etc
the difference is that his policies as you are saying here were also guided by racism and nationalism, since he applied those policies to the detriment of the jews
but i see parallels between this and how the left is now racist against white men anyway... its pretty much the same thing if you can be objective
"But those are ideologies of old and are not really found within democratic states today. Rather we have two different left and right extremists which are routed less in political matters and more economical ones."
this is an odd thing to say since i don't think ideas like these simply just vanish into thin air and even if we accept that they do there is evidence all around us that they exist today
" I think it's not fair to compare today's political ideologies with those of the past."
and i don't really understand why, since as i said ideas don't just vanish into thin air and despite that there is evidence all around to the contrary
google "white men" and count the number of links describing white men as oppressors that are bad for society on the first page
then google "black women" and count the number of links describing black women as victims on the first page
i don't really see how you can be oblivious to what i'm talking about... sure its not as extreme as in hitler's time period in terms of action, but the point i'm making is that the underlying ideas fueling people is largely the same
one group feels victimised and sees another group as oppressors and as a result justifies attacks against that oppressor group... in our current era these attacks are guided by racial and sexist discrimination
and another parallel i'd like to draw is that you mention economics... well hitler supposedly hated the jews because they were more economically and socially well off than his preferred group... the same way that now white men are generally more economically and socially well off than other preferred groups... i mean there are posts in this threat stating this very idea and that it has to be stopped by knocking down the current hierarchical order
"But it did evolve from far right ideologies"
in part yes but clearly as i have detailed he was inspired by leftists ideas also and i'd even say primarily
"And of course there is religion which plays another important role"
hitler was a humanist, which most leftists would consider themselves to be in this era... i know you're probably going to object to this but the evidence is all there
no religion i can think of advocates for worship of people
the thing is that hitler worshiped one particular race of people - the aryan race whereas now we see something like a reverse where white men are viewed as the problem race
Political correctness stupidity never disappoints me, it never fails to reach higher pinnacles.
jason1637 said:
Lol what? So because a Women thinks a story is offensive and sexist (which it sorta is) means that feminism is going to hurt women. I'd like to say that some Men regard women as repulsive when asking for kisses... Just throwing that out there. |
Of course feminism is hurting women; it's pure evil.
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/ruined_her_life.htm
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/feminism_is_evil.htm
seems this person has no other problems...
This is the type of story that indicates the tipping point of the cultural war in the West.
The result is not going to be some huge pushback towards conservatism, even though it is projected that Generation Z may be the most conservative since the Silent Generation, but that an increasing number of individuals simply aren't going to care about identity politics, virtue signaling and everything that is offensive, or deemed as offensive because under post modernist interpretation everything is offensive, so why should that even garner a reaction?
There are levels to everything, and Sleeping Beauty being given CPR by a prince and then living happily ever after as the queen in a fairy tale is not some cultural fight to be championed..
Flilix said:
Of course feminism is hurting women; it's pure evil. https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/ruined_her_life.htm https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/feminism_is_evil.htm |
i was actually more referring to scenarios like this
which is why i said " women who profit from their beauty in fields like modelling and porn"
or do you believe as many feminists do that ads like the one mentioned above should be shut down and the models involved be left out of work?
i think women should have the freedom to do whatever they want and that includes using their beauty to profit and obviously the feminists trying to run these women out of work do not
Locknuts said:
I always took horseshoe theory to mean that big government can become tyrannical on either side of the political spectrum given the right circumstances. Does it have uses outside of politics? |
Yeah it's traditionally used in terms of government though I feel like it can equally apply on a cultural level as well. I haven't really heard it used much on the cultural side of things, but hell, maybe I'll start a trend heh.
greenmedic88 said: This is the type of story that indicates the tipping point of the cultural war in the West. The result is not going to be some huge pushback towards conservatism, even though it is projected that Generation Z may be the most conservative since the Silent Generation, but that an increasing number of individuals simply aren't going to care about identity politics, virtue signaling and everything that is offensive, or deemed as offensive because under post modernist interpretation everything is offensive, so why should that even garner a reaction? There are levels to everything, and Sleeping Beauty being given CPR by a prince and then living happily ever after as the queen in a fairy tale is not some cultural fight to be championed.. |
Yeah I think whenever there's an over-correction or the scale tipping heavily in one direction eventually things start to even out. I mean hell, I consider myself quite liberal in many ways yet the ridiculous nature of some of this post-modern stuff is actually pushing me to the right more. If you would have told me 10 years ago I'd ever share a shred of common ground with freaking Bush, Cheney, and the neocons I'd have called you crazy.
There may be an initial extreme conservative reaction (see Trump phenomenon to an extent & crazy alt right pushback like in Charlottesville), though ultimately cooler heads usually prevail as things simmer as people see the negative effects in extremes. The one thing I worry about a little bit is that the internet and social media seems to be providing platforms for more extremes on both sides (though particularly the post-modern left) feeding eachother while the moderates voices are snuffed out amongst the insanity. But hopefully when these technologies get more integrated into our lives and we become more accustomed to them these effects diminish..
It's going to be interesting to see how gen Z reacts to this crazy post modern leftism. I think millennials get this impression that their politics are the end all be all and that future generations will admire them, leading to constant waves of SJWs and the perpetually offended, but history shows that's not usually how society works. Things change, society is fluid and ebbs and flows, and much like the religious right conservatives now in their 60's-70's, I see parallels in some ways with Gen X/Millenials, who were once the counter culture/rebels, are now THE establishment. They're now sort of the self-proclaimed keepers of the morals just like the religious right decades ago.. I predict that in much the same way these people rebelled, there will be a sort of semi-conservative/libertarian rebellion, as the conservatives are ironically now becoming the COUNTER culture in some ways. I don't think this generation, growing up when the internet was already a major force in the world, with a wealth of knowledge and platforms to have their voice heard, is going to take kindly to the language and guilt police on their backs. We shall see.. Very odd how history plays out sometimes..
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